2nd AQVN Peer Learning Webinar – 24.08.21 – EN

2nd AQVN Peer Learning Webinar – 24.08.21 – EN

i’m probably the northernmost participant today yeah good to meet you online sean okay um i think i can it’s uh it’s past the time and i’m sure um people will keep coming through um so i’ll i’ll start good morning uh good morning everybody um good afternoon to people in different regions uh my name is uh thank you for joining this webinar my name is naveen vasudev i am the secretary of the african qualifications verification network the aqbn and my regular job is at the south african qualifications authority where i manage the business development and stakeholder relationships uh and particularly the international stakeholders or the or the organization um [Music] okay i guess i can continue um uh just very briefly on the aqbn the african qualifications verification network um it’s a bit of a mouthful um it was formed in uh 2016 and it was mainly in response to the the challenges faced by many african uh government entities uh in respect to verifications of foreign qualifications a number of challenges and it was a wonderful uh platform where a number of uh countries representatives from many countries some of them are here um came together in south africa in pretoria to discuss and that was when the aqbn um was born actually and the main function of course of this network is to develop trustworthy and legitimate institutional linkages and networks across the african continent and to verify qualifications and to access um learner records uh in a very seamless uh seamless manner and we’ve been doing um a fair number of activities uh of the network in the um in this particular uh you know period we’ve had some difficulties particularly the last two years because of covet and of course uh you know we all know about that and the difficulties and the challenges we face but we strive ahead as a network in this continent now the uh a little bit before we we i introduce you to the webinar agenda um a little bit about the hqvn webinar 2021. um so this is the recognition focusing on recognition and verification of qualifications and the theme is lessons and practice uh in the covet crisis and beyond and these uh webinars uh which will be uh every month at the end of the month we’re holding these uh about five in number until november of 2029 uh would focus on the experiences of africa and europe um and it’s it’s a whole range of experiences from challenges achievements uh innovative solutions uh what are the tools that is being used by the various entities and also what are the ways forward how do we become better what are the strengths that we will take forward now this first webinar as many of you who are here um was held on the 27th june 2021 and i must say it was a resounding success uh we had more than 80 plus uh participants uh in this webinar and from the african continent as well as europe now today we’re holding the second uh in the series and um i i want to state here and i would like to uh extend a very special thanks to the european training foundation and the representatives of etf here who we are collaborating whom the aqbn is collaborating with and to make these webinars uh a reality so thank you etf uh this is wonderful thank you for you know this is an important step and i think uh you will all agree that uh this brings us all together in a new way bringing technology all together so i’m very very happy about that now um before i introduce you to the participants or the presenters just a few housekeeping uh issues i’ve been told to just share i am sure the webinar will go very smoothly but if you do have um some technical difficulties uh please um uh direct that to erica erica you are there hello um yes good morning she will he will help you uh whenever you need any assistance uh technically but you can also just send me a message here on the on the chat and we’ll take it from there and um i also wanted to say that the webinar uh wonderfully is being uh interpreted in portuguese and french so at the bottom of your screen you will see there’s it says interpretation and you can choose accordingly for the interpretation of the presentations and the discussions now the other thing uh is that uh all the presentations uh are have been uploaded on the um the registration page so you are free to actually download it for whatever use you have we will also make it a point to share the uh the participant list so that uh you’re able to network because this is not just about presentations only this is about networking um and i think this is a wonderful platform where we have so many countries representatives from so many countries um here today and uh it is lovely um this is a wonderful way to actually meet with people whom we would not have met otherwise so again thank you um for being here with us so with that i would like to initiate uh the presentations i would like to call upon sean mendes mr sean mendes who is from the swedish council of higher education just a little note what we will do is to we will take the presentations one after the other you after each presentation if there’s any clarification um you can please raise uh your you can you know you can put it on the chat uh we have people who would be looking at the chat all the time but you could also raise your hand and we can we can talk about it if there are any clarifications but we will give enough time after the presentations for discussion so i hope that is okay and with that uh may i welcome sean thank you very much and thanks to everybody who’s participating today i believe i’m able to share my screen and i will try to do that right now looks like it’s working for me do you all see a presentation yes oh thanks eduardo thanks to you okay so um yeah as uh as already said uh so i work at what’s called universitat sohog school of rhodes and i’m the head of uh i i’m the head of vocational education and regulated professions in the the division for foreign qualifications and i can tell you a little bit about who we are very briefly we’re a government agency under the ministry of education with 330 staff 85 of us are at the department for foreign qualifications we speak over 30 languages and we’re also the national coordinator for the professional qualifications directive and that’s in my unit as well where the the agency also coordinates admission to higher education and conducts the higher education entry tests something like a swedish sat we support e-services for the entire education sector we also are the swedish n a for participation in internationalization such as the european erasmus plus programs and and we work with other government actors such as the public employment service swedish agency for education and others on integration validation and qualifications at the broadest level sweden views credential evaluation and recognition is a broad public service linked to national needs and challenges and it’s publicly financed so we do not charge a fee to those who apply for an assessment we assess over 20 000 applications per year and we do this in three main tracks for upper secondary education post-secondary vocational and for higher education smaller tracks are also in my unit where we assess regulated professions for uh responsible agencies in sweden and uh as well we are the coordinator for even the automatic recognition professions in europe such as nurses and doctors traditionally and i know many of you are involved with the recognition of foreign qualifications but traditionally our work focuses on certifying authenticity accreditation and documentation but our goal is to further develop our recognition statement so that we can provide more information on the learning outcomes associated with the recognized education and training and i know eduardo was interested in me lifting that up towards the end on the nqf and eqf and i’ll mention that also whenever we’ve done employer surveys we see that most employers express the need for more information and they find that statement provides too little information they need more information what the person can probably do we’ve over time tried to be more generous flexible in our recognition so traditionally prior to 2017 in my unit we evaluated all qualifications against the two higher vocational education diplomas in sweden and duration was a decisive factor and we saw that quite a few applicants went unrecognized so since then we’ve opened up so that we can not only recognize these education which is very similar to the swedish but also we can recognize qualifications in the country of origin if it’s compared to an nqf and especially if that nqf is referred to the reference to the eqf we can then recognize it against the swedish suqf and other vocational qualifications that are very unlike the swedish one will recognize as a more undefined swedish post-secondary education we i see that i actually opened the wrong presentation and i’m going to have to open another one because this one came up automatically it will take me just a moment and i apologize for that disruption but so far it’s been essentially the same presentation um yes here it is so a little pause for the interpreters who probably appreciate it as i’ve been speaking quickly okay uh we’re back on track uh i i mentioned earlier that we want to take a broader view on recognition and not just focus on the documentation and recognition statement and in in fact we try to view recognition as a small part of a broader validation process and of course when i say validation we we mean the swedish definition a process of structured assessment valuing and documentation and recognition of knowledge and competences irrespective of how they have been acquired and of course we recognize only formal education and to some extent what we might call non-formal info formal as long as they lead to a qualification and then other actors can capture the more informal learning um i think i can just briefly mention that we like probably all of the participants today work according to the lisbon recognition convention and this is a convention where we agree to recognize each other’s qualifications try to support credit transfer admission to higher education it’s been traditionally focused more on higher education i mentioned as well the three tracks in the other presentation i can tell you a little bit about how our process looks for those of you who work with recognition and basically when we receive in our thousands of applications we check that it’s complete they’re submitted online through and and and go into a database the first we check is that the qualification has been issued by a recognized authority we put a lot of effort into certifying the authenticity of the documents and we do find a small proportion that are fake and then at the end we try to find which swedish degree or qualification that it is uh that is recognized in my unit we managed to recognize 55 of applicants in the other secondary and higher education units we managed to recognize 75 to 80 but we’ve increased this 55 from under 50 previously the recognition statement has been fully digital since march of 2019 and i can tell you this was very helpful during corona because prior to that we had to print out and sign these recognition statements which a few years earlier were 30 000 per year since then we’ve issued them as a digitally signed certificate and this has really been helpful for us as we’ve worked uh from abroad from home in some cases i suppose people are abroad if we cannot recognize an applicant against a swedish diploma we issue what’s called a background paper we received a an assignment from the government to recognize to the extent possible refugees for example who have no documentation and then we try to find any form of documentation they might appear in a yearbook record photos that they may have and so on and in that case when they’re very little documentation we issue a background paper over the person’s education based on the evidence that they can provide to us something that i’m quite excited about and our agency is uh really happy with actually is our new qualifications assessment tool uh it was launched uh just over a year ago and this at this point provides uh a tool where people from 66 countries can compare their education without even sending it to us and then share with a prospective employer and print out for themselves a description over their foreign education um i think i could potentially briefly launch this tool well i’ll just show you on the next page um so in any case so anybody can then go to that homepage and when you go there you just click into a role menu the country that you’re from from africa i know we have iretria we have ethiopia [Music] and a few other countries as well and when you go into that homepage in english or swedish you will see it in the menu the type of diploma that you have in the country of origin and then it will provide an explanation of what that is like in sweden and thanks for sharing that erica or erica so there anyone can click at that homepage and click a country click a diploma and you’ll see the swedish equivalent and eduardo and others would be happy to see that we’ve even linked the swedish equivalent to its seqf level there the etf the nqf level um also very recently and we’ve just improved that this year uh that we’ve moved all the applications to online traditionally they came in as paper applications and more of them went online now they’ve become increasingly almost exclusively online and now with the application process we have a digital certification process which exists in sweden called bank id and it’s the government the national electronic identification that you use for any sort of secure transaction with a bank to check your social insurance so we are now linked to the national government secure login that people will use when applying for an assessment i should also mention briefly for all of you that we have what’s called the nairec portal and this is the portal that those of you at other recognition agencies would use to find information on not just swedish but other countries education and training systems and i know many of us use the uk service sometimes we use an australian service and there are many other services that people use to find information here you can see briefly how the applications have looked as you may know sweden took a lot of refugees in 2015 almost 200 000 which was a lot for a country of 10 million during the syrian and other refugee crisis we then had a surge in applications topping out at over 30 000 in 2017 uh and since then it’s eased back a little bit we’re now sitting around 22 000 applications this year we see a slight increase we don’t know why because we didn’t think we’d see an increase in 2021 um but i guess it will be similar to 2020 in the end here i show you as well how it looked from syria and there you see in 2013 we went from 1233 applicants with syrian education documents to over 10 000 by 2017 and now it’s falling back again now we see more and more from iran for example from india and different types of applicants there india largely higher education i.t sector from iran we see quite a few vocational as well here are the top six countries in from 2020 in the three tracks and there you see india is the number one in higher education furthest to the right and the the vocational ones it’s still syria followed by iran iraq russia and india and in upper secondary we have syria iran iraq turkey poland the uk also shows up in higher education i i mentioned already and i can very briefly mention again that in within the eu and participating countries such as norway we have the professional professional qualifications directive which allows free movement allows people with certain professions to to practice their profession in any eu member state it’s a very impressive accomplishment because i come originally from canada where you still can’t do this between the provinces and we’ve managed to have a situation where a portuguese trained doctor can pop up in sweden and work as a doctor almost immediately with minimal hinders so it’s an impressive accomplishment by the european union and participating countries so we’re the national coordinator for that and that’s a different type of assessment we do which is much more detailed because if those people are not for example doctors or nurses under the automatic recognition for example if eduardo comes to us as a portuguese psychologist then she applies to the swedish national health board and they then send her documents to us to assess them vain great detail against the swedish psychologist requirements so it’s another type of assessment which is deep and uh takes a lot of time actually and then based on our decision the national health board gives you the right to work as a psychologist in sweden um and here i can mention to you that in sweden we have not so many regulated professions uh we have 15 agencies responsible for about 50 regulated professions and we assess those applications for these agencies the largest group we have there are teachers where we have about 2 000 applicants a year that come to the swedish national board for education that send them to us and then we send back to them for for recognition i already mentioned that we link our work to broader strategic goals such as the integration of immigrants but also labor market needs sweden like many countries faces uh and in fact our economic growth and competitiveness is restricted by a lack of people with certain qualifications in the country and these can either be in the growing private sector areas in i.t where it is there just are not simply enough swedish trained technicians engineers to help those companies grow and there we see a lot of people coming from india who we will assess their documents or if we look in many healthcare professions as well as sweden does not train enough and you see quite a few people often from within the eu coming but also outside and within the eu the whole process is aided a lot by the professional qualifications directive uh finally and i believe this is my final uh slide i can tell you uh briefly share with you what we see as benefits of our move over the past few years from a more document formal education assessment approach to more of a learning outcomes approach and here uh we have seen that and everybody in every country it is the case that a substantial part of learning occurs outside the formal education system this may be in industry sectors it may be in work based training might be in liberal adult education which we called folk school or in sweden it could be through labor market training active labor market programs and many of these qualifications are awarded outside the formal education system and have not traditionally been recognized even nationally but especially for international people coming so we found that bringing these qualifications together in a national framework of really increased transparency and transferability and we find using a national qualifications framework in sweden and our linking our assessment of foreign qualifications has really a facilitates for individuals employers and education providers to evaluate levels it has increased labor market mobility and facilitates matching it facilitates the validation and and legitimizes validation on the labor market uh it also increases interest among actors to work with learning outcomes and with quality assurance and and we see this more and more in sweden as different qualifications in the country apply to get placed in our swedish national qualifications framework finally we find that it stimulates lifelong learning and that was my last slide thank you so much for the patience and apologize once again for using the wrong presentation initially thank you thank you so much sean i really appreciate it it’s been a wonderful first presentation here uh lots of uh areas to think about i i definitely uh feel that uh the people in this room uh see some of the very interesting similarities to the work that is being undertaken in their own um organization so um so for now uh what i’d like to do is uh like i said earlier uh i’d like to just uh open it up for not so much for discussions right now but open it up for any clarifications or questions uh that you may have for sean um and and to do so uh i would just ask you to just uh unmute and you know come in uh where if there are any uh areas that uh you may want some clarification from sean or you may have some ideas something that is there so i’ll give a little time for that um so anybody would like to go in first yes uh did i hear somebody here you can just unmute and join in yeah i i see there’s a there’s a hand up by wellington thanks naveen uh sorry wellington just i forgot to mention that uh when you come through just introduce yourself uh you’re the country and the organization you’re from thank you thanks uh thanks again naveen my name is wellington raju i am with the south african qualifications authority and i am responsible for what we call authentication services and that includes the verification of south african qualifications as well as evaluation of foreign qualifications now i i i think like many other colleagues have said and i’ve been it’s a brilliant presentation from so thank you for that what i just want to find out from him in terms of clarity is what um since the implementation of the online portal if i had him correctly uh in i think he said in 2019 or something like that um what what sort of lessons have they learned so far because i i i would assume that of course kovid kovit as he mentioned made it a necessity there was no way you could run away from it but for others that would perhaps want to follow what sort of lessons can we we take from the swedish experience as we move into that space thank you uh sean would you like to respond to that well sure i mean it sounded like it might be more for the other participants in africa but i mean i think some lessons uh for us as we still make it possible as a very rare case for someone to apply using a non-online digital means and i would imagine and all of you at this meeting could say better than me that in in africa it might be perhaps more important to have an online an application system which is more mobile based because you probably have relatively more people using mobiles and mobile applications than desktop and laptop applications and there i suspect we’re probably we’ve been trying to make our systems as well easier to use for people who are doing everything from a mobile but i think they’re still largely work best for from laptop and desktop computers well i don’t know what you would all say um thank you sean oh i think this is a very interesting [Music] issue that has been raised and i think uh once we have the other presentations and the discussions i think um we’d like to bring this back because there’s a lot of learning from there and particularly like wellington has mentioned in the post uh well not post code deep kotkov it’s still going on but in the covid era uh the this is an area that uh we would really like to share experiences and see what what tools uh how can we make that area better in terms of uh our work so i would if you don’t mind wellington i would like to bring this up again back after the presentations and in the discussion thank you um anybody else just raise your hand or just come through uh maybe uh while we are waiting for others i just wanted to mention uh sean that uh sorry my phone um it always rings when you don’t want it to ring um there were just a couple points sean i just thought it was a very interesting in your presentation you mentioned number one was the area of uh non-formal uh qualifications leading to uh qualifications and how you deal with those of course especially in this whole um lots of discussions taking place on micro credentials uh also recognizing short courses uh it would be very interesting to hear what how your agency is actually looking at that area of uh micro credentials recognizing short courses and because you ended your presentation on the lifelong learning so you know it opens up a whole area there and secondly i you also mentioned very interestingly about the issue of fake qualifications misrepresentation i just wanted to get a feel of uh what is the what uh you know and i’m sure everybody has a view about that um what is the situation of identification of misrepresentation what do your trends show uh just on that show thank you or okay i’m i’m on your first question i’m the person in sweden to answer it thankfully on your second question we have a working group at the agency called minerva group and they work on this authenticity issue and it’s a problem from different perspectives uh that where there are uh altered documents fake documents uh unserious so the the fake that issue can be that somebody has purchased uh some sort of degree from a non-accredited institution which doesn’t really mean anything which we need to to uh note but it could as well be someone who’s just faked a degree purchasing from through more criminal means could be someone who’s changed names to their own or changed their their documents and we see that there are a number of these cases i can’t give you a percent but there are hundreds of them every year it’s not a huge problem but it is a problem and we invest a lot of time and energy and we have special machines and so on to check authenticity when necessary as well and largely we do this to to maintain integrity in our in the system so we want to ensure that there’s high trust for the recognition statements that we issue because it is unfortunately the case that employers in sweden may be more suspicious of or have less trust in a foreign qualification than one that’s issued nationally so we want to ensure that the trust is high on your first question about micro qualifications uh i i’m a representative on a unesco working group on world reference levels we’ve been speaking about micro qualifications lately and i’ve provided input to work that’s happening there’ll be a meeting in september in in my unit um and we’re kind of the innovative unit at the agency we’ve already shortened what we recognize it used to be that it has to be at least a one-year post-secondary education now where we take a more flexible view and that well okay if it’s really intense studies then for sure six months will suffice we want to shorten that further we’d like to recognize perhaps in the next step education that we might call one semester that might be three four months we’re not quite there but we’re moving in that direction we as well you asked about non-formal informal we we have recognized um we recognized in some cases folk high school education from norway which would be called non-formal and then we as well recognize vocational qualifications which are not non-formal or informal but to people from an educational perspective they might view it that way so we might receive a german vocational qualification with hardly any transcript or education documentation but a very high quality apprenticeship and a and a qualification issued by a sectoral body and then we recognize that as well so we’re moving forward from a more traditional conservative approach and we will be recognizing shorter and shorter already we’ve moved as i said from a minimum one year down to six months we’ll keep shortening that and as for micro qualifications we’re open to it and following international discussions thank you thank you sean um thank you for that response i think again um i i personally think that this is a you know this is an area of discussions because uh lots of uh innovative uh uh you know uh developments taking place in the whole area of micro qualifications as you say and on the area of uh fake qualifications misrepresented qualification that’s used uh as is termed in some countries um i think it is it is again an area of discussion uh particularly as what wellington had mentioned earlier in the age of digitization and everything going digital uh you know what tools do you use uh to move away from actual uh checking of hard floppy qualifications to digital qualifications and how that is done in order to identify uh misrepresentation but again we can come back to that and i’m sure this is food for thought uh do we have any other uh questions or clarifications for sean i’m just looking at the chat i don’t see any uh but please please come through [Music] hi manuel yes please come through yeah good good morning for my end um during the presentation he spoke briefly on labour market studies or employer survey and we get to with respect to how we know that data is very important for us to satisfy curiosity measure performance and to enhance decision making so in that case and sean would share some of the findings in brief of the labour market survey because he did mention that employers keep asking for more information what are these information that employers keep asking about can you please elaborate emmanuel can you introduce yourself please and your your organization and country oh um i’m the academic audit manager of the social education commission sierra leone do you get that yes thank you uh yeah i can just briefly answer that we’ve done uh as well from my unit employer surveys and uh they want more we they get a one-page recognition certificate that uh so-and-so has an education roughly in this from this country and some more information and they what they appreciate most is that a swedish government authority has has certified the authenticity of the education and the documents but they really want more information about what this education what does it mean that the person can do specifically what specific skills might they have with them and here again uh um if we had more global national qualifications frameworks or world reference levels this would help us but often it’s difficult for us to specify what specific learning outcomes are associated with the education so what we’ve done is we’ve increased the descriptive text at the bottom of our recognition statements about the education providing more information and of course the the person can always look at the transcript which we have translated to swedish for them but uh so far i can’t give any silver bullet uh knows great solution uh we just know they want more information we’re trying to provide more but we haven’t come up with anything really spectacular to meet that need thank you thank you sean um if there are no uh additional questions and please uh keeps them because we would like to move on to the next presentation um thank you again sean uh that was a wonderful presentation lots of learning lots of new issues uh coming through here which i think is something that we will come to uh when we are doing the overall discussions on the three presentations so thanks again uh with that i would now like to um welcome uh dr winnie uh belimo uh she the doctor winning billy mill is from the kenya national qualifications authority also called the knqa so um winnie the floor is all yours thank you nivan i hope you hear me yes winnie so thank you very much and i wish to appreciate you for inviting the kenya national qualifications authority to participate in this forum and share our experiences and so i wish to welcome everyone to my presentation i’ve already been introduced allow me to first of all be before i move to the next slide mention that the kenya national qualifications authority just go back to the first slide finally uh that the ken qa has developed a 10-level qualifications framework like you can see on the slide which cuts across the entire education and training sector in kenya here i mean that it captures qualifications attained from basic education that is primary school level up to the university level so you can see the knqs levels or from level one the highest is level 10 which is the doctorate and at the same time this qualifications framework spells out a progression on both academic skills vocational and industrial training pathways so in summary it’s a comprehensive framework that takes care of the entire education and training system next to the next slide please so just a brief about the qualifications authority it was established by the kenya national qualifications framework popularly we call it knqf act number 22 in the year 2014 and it’s being currently being operationalized by the kenya national qualifications or framework regulations which were established in the year and gazetted in the year 2018 and specifically for the purposes of this forum allow me to say that the mandate to conduct recognition and verification of foreign qualifications is drawn from section eight one uh part k n and q of the k q f act so as we do this function it has a legal backing in the act and the the the framework next slide uh however also note that uh besides this is just one of the mandate of the knqa there are 17 mandates so however besides the function of recognizing qualifications our function is also supported by we also perform the other functions as we can see on the slide including registration of qualification awarding institution registration of qualifications so we register both the qualification awarding institutions and the qualifications they offer and we do that based on their asset standards and we do that to indicate that these qualifications have been recognized for have and acknowledged for having met the national standard of what a qualification should look like and we also register learners qualifications so specific learners with what they have attained what programs and what years whatever details about atlanta and besides this to support the recognition function we are developing that we have developed national policies national standards and guidelines and even procedures and one of them which is uh directly aligned to today’s discussion is that we have done what we call a recognition of prior lending policy and we have also developed and implementing a tenure credit accumulation and transfer system policy and these two policies are very key when in terms of recognizing qualifications and competencies atlanta processes and in terms of recognition and the question of foreign qualifications we also have standards we also have guidelines and have procedures on how this process is is conducted next slide at the kenya national qualifications authority we have not separated these three functions the function of recognition the function of verification and equation of qualifications so you will find many times we are referring to recognition equation and verification as being related that in a way that you cannot recognize what you have not verified that it’s authentic it’s valid and it has the standards set on the kenya national qualifications framework and and so many times in short we say raise recognition a question and verification so whatever tools we develop takes care of that three terminologies that have been defined here on this slide the next slide and and and what is the scope of that kind of recognition and verification uh that we conduct at knqa and and so we say that uh the the kenkyway conducts recognition first of all of foreign qualifications which are awarded here in kenya and the by a foreign qualification awarding institution or a local qualification awarding institution that has been accredited by a regulator by the kenya national qualifications authority as meeting the state standards we also recognize qualifications which have been acquired from foreign countries acquired either by a kenyan citizen or a non-kenyan citizen but for various purposes you want your recognition your qualifications to be recognized we conduct that the next slide and um just generally what is the purpose of why why do we recognize why do we quit why do we verify qualifications both locally and and foreign qualifications and as you can see and i’m glad what you are doing is has importance similar to what sean has has already shared with us that recognition facilitates seamless access seamless mobility of learners skills seamless mobility of qualifications within the country and even across the border and as this is being done we know very well we are promoting lifelong learning and also we are internationalizing our qualifications as we accept foreign qualifications hours also we expect that because of the national qualifications framework with the standards that have been set hours are also being accepted internationally uh next slide so um during recognition ladies and gentlemen there is a lot of quality assurance within the process because we are talking of their standards their benchmarks that you have to base on when you are doing the recognition process and because of the quality assurance stages like validation checking whether a certain standard the volume of learning the expected learning outcomes the duration of learning has been met before you recognize this is a way of instilling a lot of trust in the qualifications in that diplomas in the big race that we have and so because of that trust there is that acceptability and the internationalized internationalization of the kind of qualifications awarded whether in the foreign country or here in the kenya in in our kenyan situation and so we are saying that this contributes a lot in terms of a trust in quality and something that already is trusted by the public is easily acceptable both internally and externally and that is why we are saying this promotes international understanding of the entire education and training system because already there is a confirmation that this has met the test of the day the standards have been made as the qualification has been accredited the learner meets the standards and therefore it’s something that is acceptable both internationally and and even nationally next slide and um colleagues as we we do recognition uh there are various key players that we work with and we we have just uh highlighted a few of them that the kenya national qualifications authority is at the center of the recognition evaluation um equation and verification like we saw we have a qualifications framework that cuts across all the education sectors and so we work with regulatory agencies because they’re the custodian of the standards of the whatever guidelines we are mentioning we do a national standard in a regulatory agency activity sector they customize to tv sector at the university they customize their level so those are the standards we use as our checklist when we are recognized so we work very closely with regulators we work very closely with qualifications awarding institutions because these are the institutions which have the first-hand information of the kind of qualification the learner the assessment process the certification process and everything that entails a qualification awarding process then we also work very closely with professional bodies and here they are those that are regulated and those that are not regulated and we also work very closely with governments both kenyan government and foreign governments and with the embassies because there reaches our time you need to verify whether this qualification meets the other countries standards you verify through that government there is a time you need to translate language whatever foreign language so that you you wait you verify you recognize you have to go through so basically these are the few actors that we closely work with when we are performing this this function can you go to the next next slide please can we let we look at the enablers of recognition and here in kenya uh this are uh what we use what enable us what we look at when we are recognizing so the first thing we’re talking about we look at the quality assurance mechanisms including the accreditation systems and status of the qualifications which have been presented for for for equation for verification the qualification awarding institutions and the question we ask is are they accredited if not as mentioned by shown in their country then we we we are likely to consider that as a fake qualification because it has been awarded by a body which is not accredited so this firm’s part of that what we take to take this therefore the kenyan national uh qualifications authority has developed a criteria as standard and procedures and uh i wish also to mention that these procedures these standards they vary from country to country and the reason being that education systems in most of our countries uh is different starting even with the east african countries african countries you realize they’re different so sometimes a standard that applies to we use to to to recognize a qualification from somali may be different from so what i’m saying is these standards have been customized based on the education system of the countries we are recognizing so another enabler during recognition is availability of information and we are talking about information regarding the learner regarding the design of the certificate do we are we able to look at a certificate and say that this is an authentic certificate probably looking at the security features and the qr codes whatever so availability of this information really enables the work of the recognizing department to conduct their service and uh for for just for information currently uh such information we get from directly from qualification awarding institution we don’t get this information from the atlanta because of the obvious response and in terms of enabling policy environment again as i mentioned earlier the authority has expressed mandates to conduct recognition and develop national policies to guide this function and to guide the qualification awarding space so we have developed quite a number of policies to enable particularly recognition of qualifications uh just to to to to mention the recognition of prior learning policy this one the plans are actually currently as we speak today we are in the top gear of of launching this policy and uh even we we have the support of the government because the president of kenya is supporting this uh the the other ministries the sister ministries are supporting this the informal sector is really supporting this and so this is specifically to recognize holy competencies uh that are not certified so through a process which has already been laid down down assessment process and certification process people who have competencies through experiential learning or whatever informal sources will be recognized they’ll be certified and they’ll be free to join labor market using the certificates or use the certificates maybe to join the education and training system and alongside the rpl we call it rpl recognition for prior learning we have also developed a 10-year credit accumulation and transfer system basically because our national qualification framework is um guiding is defining duration of learning in terms of credits accumulated so it is this system that enables kaneki way to look at a qualification and say yes you are in school for this number of hours or this number of years to acquire what is expected out of you and maybe just for information again that this system is really uh enabling recognition that we’ve had cases where people come in with certificates let me pick an example of the recent case we had someone claims to have a doctorate degree but when you interrogate whatever papers they are presenting the documents it happens that that doctorate degree was acquired was attained was awarded after six months so that is not possible how can you get a phd at six months you look that is not meeting the requirements and therefore the tax system the credit accumulation and transfer system actually has enabled us to recognize based on the duration the volume of learning that goes into a specific qualification depending on the kenya national qualifications uh framework then another key enabler we are also going online we have developed a kenya national recognition equation and verification portal uh it seems it’s almost similar to what sean shared with us that uh this is an online it’s a self-service portal to just enable uh our learners or those who are seeking recognition and the verification to fit in the the documents upload the documents and itself itself service so you do whatever you are supposed to do it directs you it gets you on what to do up to the end you generate a certificate uh we call it a recognition certificate so that is another enabler and that is in terms of infrastructure in terms of infrastructure also we have done sorry i’m using a lot of abbreviations on the slides we call this kenya national learners record database so we have already done this we have this database and the qualification awarding institutions are already feeding in their qualifications they’re feeding in the learner’s qualifications so you feed in the qualifications the learners in your that you have graduated from your institution plus their conversation and this makes it quite easy for a even an employer to come or use it to query a qualification to establish is it true that this qualification was awarded by this university and it’s accredited so only accredited and political qualifications are uploaded on that international learner’s record database and then a bunch accreditation system i think i’ve mentioned this that it’s another enabler this system ensures that whatever we are recognizing meets the test of the day these are quality assured qualifications only so accreditation and as soon as uh the kentucky where the kenyans and even the whatever partners we have that qualifications which are uploaded which are registered on the kenya national qualifications framework are accredited and therefore they are recognized and acceptable nationally and internationally and we are talking about both foreign awarded here in kenya and the local qualifications and lastly ladies and gentlemen the kenya national qualifications framework is a very clear nebula of recognition you cannot recognize until you are sure of the volume of learning you are supposed to be recognizing i mean the level descriptors the expected learning outcomes at every level if you are not sure and someone is giving you you don’t have the checklist and someone is presenting the certificate the document the transcripts for recognition then i i think it becomes quite a fragmented system but because of already kenya we have the framework with us whatever we are recognizing the benchmarks are rightly drawn from the kenya national qualifications framework our next slide and this is just a demonstration of some of the features of the framework that we saw we saw in the first slide um basically it shows the levels the 10 levels the name the title the title of the qualification actually this was also giving challenges in terms of recognition simply because uh organizations could pick titles uphazardly but you interrogate the documents you realize it’s a similar title it’s a similar qualification to the other so because now we are guiding in terms of nomenclature of the qualification the level the duration the entry behavior for instance instance if someone wants to recognize uh one scam key way to recognize their qualifications for purposes of accessing higher education we expect that either your entry behavior is what is recognized in kenya for you in kenya sorry to say this maybe for those who may not understand for you to um progress to higher to university let me say university education which is at level seven you must have attained a grade of c plus but if someone comes with a qualification and that person attained grade b which is not a direct entry grade we expect that that person will produce other qualifications that enable them to progress up to level seven so basically this is just a summary of of the qualifications framework uh next slide please um i think i’ve already mentioned this that as we do recognition with the principles that we are anchoring what we do do we have we shared the information for example what do we require do the applicants know the criteria this is very key because now if we have already automated our system of recognition then we need we have put information on our website regarding this is how we evaluate and this is the these are the documents we expect you to present when you are seeking recognition so first of all ensuring that the applicants have information on what you do what you require how they are supposed to apply this initially this was a little bit of a challenge to to to our applicants but you are doing a lot of sensitization uh of course through our stakeholders that when you are seeking recognition when you are seeking a question and verification this is how you apply this is what you applaud this is the period of time you expect feedback and such like kind of information and then uh recognition has to be done in a fair and transparent manner which we believe now the automated system is fair it is transparent you’re able to access information and you can query our our actors can query what we are doing on our website if you’ve been able to see what keyword is doing that there are there are menus that allows you to query why why am i not getting feedback what has happened and again in the recognition policy when an appeal if you’re not satisfied with the feedback you’re given you appealed i’m not satisfied what could have happened and actually we’ve had many appeals at times people saying that i expected that you will recognize in this manner but this is what you did some even go to court such things next slide uh dr berlimo just uh just uh just keeping um you know uh track of time you know if you can finish your presentation in the next few minutes thank you okay it’s okay let me go through in fact i think i mentioned all these things so about the determinants i think we’ve talked about the qualifications framework quality assurance accreditation and the policies can we proceed still the determinants that the same ones we mentioned earlier proceed uh the process is automated uh and therefore the the the portal will lead you on what to do what to applaud and all that so we call it kendrick kenya national recognition equation and verification portal next slide guidelines i think i’ve mentioned verification of qualifications it’s done definitely in line with the standards on the framework um can we move up to challenges please this i mentioned mentioned okay this is just how the photo looks like the next slide this will guide the whatever the applicant up to the end the next slide and um this is the kind of feedback we get on the portal just showing us these are the applications of recognition and after this process these are the applications for equation so this is just data giving us data on how the trend how we are moving and this one is a data for for two truth about two or three months next slide um partnerships uh maybe just to mention that um earlier on i had said that we have key actors we are working with when we are doing recognition but allow me also to mention that um because of the issues arising on fake certification falsified and proudly uh and and the kenya national qualifications authority doesn’t have present cultural powers we have partnered with the edges with bodies in our country which uh can deal with the spec certificate because the question is after i have done after the verification the recognition process and identify as a certificate what’s next so this partnership addresses that what next um next slide uh just i just mentioned a few challenges that we have faced that are one of them is disparity in admission and program requirements because we we get a lot of uh applicants from somali and um quite a number actually from somali and then we have some from uk and some so some of the challenges we experience in the process of verification put are related to the entry requirement admission requirement different education systems and sometimes i said uh kenya accredited accumulation and transfer system is an enabling a system but sometimes some countries it’s lacking and even in kenya this is the time when we are putting this in place so previously it was not acceptable that we have a harmonized system but now with that one uh we we are trying to address the challenge we had and then production effect certificates it’s also ramban as much as you are saying we are verifying in in in partnership with those bodies and uh in partnership with the qualification awarding institutions this is still a problem it’s still a challenge so we we are still putting in place mechanisms on how to address how to conduct benefit how to verify and be sure that whatever i’m verifying is genuine and then mushrooming of other qualification awarding institutions this is a common challenge use of provisional certificate that applicants are allowed to use provisional certificates some of them take too long to upload the original certificates and this delays the entire process then there is the language related challenges and and lack of data lack of um like i said at the knqa we have a national and a national database but some some countries whom we engage with don’t have a data repository of their qualification so it becomes a challenge to verify and even query what is being presented next slide um this is just a demonstration of how in east africa the education systems are different you can see they are quite different so when you are verifying it becomes a challenge to come to a common maybe to come have a common a common a common base a starting point that this is where we are supposed to start from but we have standard that addresses all to address these differences although it’s a bit of a challenge at times our next slide thank you ladies and gentlemen that brings me to the end of the presentation thank you dr berlimo uh an excellent presentation a lot of information in there about the work uh that is being done by the kqa the kenya qualifications authority um the kqa has been very active um in the um in the network the aqbn network uh so we’ve been reading a fair amount of uh interesting activities that are being done by the kqa and it mirrors what you have presented uh dr berlimo so thank you once again now very quickly i just wanted to take a few questions i see on the chat uh that there are a couple of questions that have come through i’ll just if you don’t mind i’ll just uh read that uh for you uh dr berlimo uh one is a question that has come from uh etf uh from eduardo that is uh she says which types and levels of qualifications do you reckon recognize beyond uh higher education that was one and uh the other question uh was it says this is from emmanuel from tec sierra leone and he says that during your presentation you mentioned something on the recognition of prior learning on the rpl and i know kq has been doing a lot of work there he asked do you have any standards on notional hours these are the two questions for you uh dr belimo over to you thank you nevan uh the first question from eduardo uh maybe i didn’t get it correct that what levels what levels do we recognize beyond higher education right that’s correct yes types types also of qualifications maybe micro qualifications also so types and levels beyond higher i thank you eduardo uh i i um currently i think we are enabled to to to recognize all types of uh qualifications uh and this is because of the recognition for prior learning policy which goes beyond the academic qualifications to non-formal qualifications and i i want to believe what you’re calling micro qualifications in kenya we call it part qualifications like um that qualification yes so through rpl and the credit accumulation and transfer system we are able to recognize a patch a micro qualification that someone has i’m going to the second question it was on rpl we have the policy and we have the national standard besides that i mentioned we work with the regulators the regulator for the tibet sector has done a standard for the tv sector the rpl standard they call it plus standard for the tibet sector the university has not customized what we have in terms of rpl to their standard for the university sector but the national standard that we have across all the sectors of education and training uh i think uh i’ve answered i hope i’ve answered that well and back to you niven thank you so much um dr bilimo really appreciate it and once again thank you uh for the presentation is there any burning question or clarifications i see emmanuel your hand is up there uh emmanuel uh was that your question or do you have a follow-up question you’re you’re on mute emmanuel okay um let me use this opportunity to thank dr bulimer for such a presentation and she spoke well on upon operationalization of knqf but i want to know how removal of qualification is done thank you how what please emmanuel i want to know how removal removal of qualifications from the nqf is done uh we need he’s asking removal how do you take the qualifications out of the nqf when if necessary that is oh i’m not sure i have understood the question um maybe a clarification because the removal i don’t understand how that is uh because uh at kaneki kenko is the custodian of the qualifications now because of the database that we have established we have kind of established a register of all qualifications that are awarded in in our country and um through the act uh emmanuel uh let me also mention that we accredit a qualification awarding institution under program for a period a certain period of time only for four years after four years you’re supposed to apply for react meditation uh simply because the education may be that the new changes within whatever was accredited and so if if you you don’t apply for re-accreditation then it means you don’t you’re not part of that register i don’t know if that is what you you are seeking to understand okay yeah okay all right all right all right thank you uh gab uh gabzilly i see your hand is up oh thank you thank you naveen um good afternoon ladies and gentlemen um thank you doctor for the presentation um i heard you listen enter the requirements as a part of the challenges sorry godzilla can you introduce yourself sorry sorry about that oh okay um sorry i also forgot that you asked us to introduce ourselves before we speak i’m capturing katrina from um they they call me david because gabzilla is very long but yes i’m i’m commanding honest god from the srt in higher education council so now back to my question on entry requirements doctor listed that as one of the challenges and it is a challenge that we also come across here in swat team where you find that the the applicant barely met the end requirements into the program that they studied and i’d like to know how not just doctor i would like to know how everybody all of us as verification practitioners how we handle a situation where you find that somebody has acquired the qualification they have the qualification it’s an authentic publication and so on every all the boxes check but the only challenge is that they barely meet the enter requirements they when i mean for for taking for for taking the program thank you thank you uh winnie uh thank you and really that is a challenge it’s still a challenge here i wouldn’t say that we’ve managed to really address it because what happens as she says she puts it someone comes present their documents when you you you try to equate you look at whatever they used to enter into a certain level of qualification it’s quite below you what you you are doing as a country uh then uh probably we have advice such such applicants that uh you can’t we can’t place we can’t recognize this as a degree or a diploma because your entry requirement did not meet this so there are certain percentage which uh agree with us yes i i go downwards based on your framework but remember also i mentioned that those who take us to court and say no this one so it’s still a challenge to us we have not found a a a quite comprehensive solution for it and probably this is the right forum for for us to share and discuss and find a way a solution to it yes thank you thank you uh whitney uh yes this is i think a big area of challenge as well as exploration that many of the countries are looking towards so it would be very interesting to hear but also to interact with each other um on this area of uh challenge capsule i see your hand is still up is it an old hand i i guess it’s an old hand it’s okay um so i would like to now take this opportunity to move on to the final presentation um but just before i do that i i just want to uh make a request uh i have spoken about the aqbn the network so uh i would really ex like to extend um you know an invitation for all of you and particularly those in the in the continent the african continent to to be in touch with the aqvn network the council uh we will provide all the details on how you can be in touch with us and how you can become a member of the aqbn so uh just it’s i know i sound like an advert here but it’s just an invitation so thank you very much for that uh on to our last uh presentation i would like to invite uh lebron noble she’s from the botswana qualifications authority to make her presentation thank you very much thank you naveen um i had said i would share my own presentation i’m still trying to find my way here how do i even minimize this spring just a minute please there you go all right i’m gonna share now and tell me what you see if you see any personal stuff on my desk just tell me um uh can i request the others to just mute your mic thank you right can you see my screen now um it is it is starting to not yet uh no uh it’s just starting to right please let me know when you can yes yes excellent okay thank you right um i don’t know if i’m on presentation mode there you go right my name is lebron noble i work for builds on a qualifications authority as already been mentioned my i also have a core presenter who is his name is phil she is with us here he’s going to be doing uh talking about uh what he does in his organization the organization that we also uh in partnership with those that they help us with verification of qualifications so in the lineup um you will see we i start off with the mandate pqr mandate i go to bq services and he’s the last person there qualification check out talk a little bit about qualification take check what they do for us and then he’ll elaborate on on what his organization does okay right so qualifications authority the qa is a parastata under the minister of tertiary education and research and research and science and technology in botswana we draw our mandate from botswana qualifications authority act of 24 number 24 2013. we have been given two objectives one which is the quality assurance we deal with quality assurance issues uh which include um registration and accreditation of awarding bodies we register an accredited education and training providers we register and accredits moderators and assessors we accredit learning programs and we also do institutional audits the next objective is related to issues of registration of qualifications on the national credit and qualifications framework it also deals with issues relating to recognition of prior learning system the credit and accumulation credit accumulation and transfer system as well as the recognition of qualifications and this objective objective number two is where the revision that i work for with under which is the evolution of qualifications division draws is mandate we verify local qualifications we evaluate classifications external qualifications for recognition purposes so what i’ve been saying is you know already uh elaborated in this slide that i’m showing right now all right i’ll move on to the next one at bqa we define evolution of process of qualification as a process of analyzing external qualifications in terms of their country of foreign context and points of difference or similarities in relation to our local context this means uh it involves things like you know understanding the education system of a country the quality assurance system of the country the entrance requirements with the qualification that you’re dealing with progression route within the qualification itself right once you have established these um the qualification is set to be recognized and then it will it is compared with national credit and qualifications framework right the next slide now explains the evaluation process further just a minute yeah there you go our process is a twin process it includes verification and comparability now verification is the process of authenticating the status of the awarding body and the qualifications offered it offers we investigate the authenticity of the qualification document as well as their qualification holder themselves now the verification of an awarding body or the education and training provider is the first step in the evaluation process once we’ve established with satisfied ourselves with authentic
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