Breaking down the situation in Afghanistan after 2 explosions rock Kabul

Breaking down the situation in Afghanistan after 2 explosions rock Kabul

but i do want to bring in now rena ameri she joins us she is a policy and mediation advisor at nyu center for international cooperation also a senior fellow at the nyu center for global affairs she has worked to settle conflicts in several countries including her native country of afghanistan first of all your overall reaction to what you have been witnessing over the past week since the taliban has taken over your your mother country and now these explosions taking place what’s going through your mind and also have you been able to talk to anybody that you are close to or related to amira there inside afghanistan thank you very much kira yes it’s been devastating i i have to confess i’m reeling everyone that i know is just reeling from this ongoing unpreventable devastation and today yes i’ve been on the phone with friends in afghanistan and also on social media people panicking because their family members were outside in that airport area and they are just devastated and very very worried i’m also very worried about because we all knew somebody knows somebody who’s at the airport and uh and you the the taliban military takeover coupled with the administration’s a commitment that the august 31st deadline has created this level of panic where everyone feels that they have to be at the airport they were told in fact that today was going to be the last day of movement uh his 31st deadline would be for breaking down the equipment but today would be the last day so tens of ten thousand people were at that airport today um and i’ve heard that there’s at least there’s conflicting report but at least 13 people killed including children so rena you have friends and family there you have been talking to them what have they been telling you with regard to this timeline and and how desperate they they have been to get why have they wanted to leave did give us a sense for what they’ve been telling you about what it’s been like and their fears since the taliban has taken over the country they i mean they’re they have been deeply conflicted because no one likes to leave their homeland and they’re leaving with just a little bag they’re not allowed to bring anything except a bag of food and water to last them for three days which is often how long people end up being at the airport but at the same time they’re very worried for their family all of these people that are leaving that at least that i’m speaking to have been intimidated within the last ten to get the last two weeks and suddenly they are not only facing current trauma but they know what it was like during the period of the taliban and they don’t want that for their children they’ve been camping out i know people who who have been sitting in these atrocious conditions without they run out of food they run out of water they run out of diapers and they’re still there with their families and these people used to have normal lives they used to be like you and me a week ago two weeks ago and suddenly their entire world has been turned upside down from what you know from what you’ve experienced what looking forward what does the future of afghanistan look like to you well in the immediate sense i’m going to tell you what i hope is going to happen i hope that the taliban and the administration will uh the u.s will restore order and enable people to leave i hope that it won’t be you know uh secretary blinken was reassuring people that afghans and americans will be able to leave after the evacuation the taliban need to go on tv and say we will let you leave and we will keep our commitments we will allow monitors to come in and allow you to leave the countries neighboring countries have to open up their borders the u.n and the the humanitarian organizations have to step forward all of that can reduce enormously reduce the level of anxiety and life in the country and of the taliban what they’ve been saying is we don’t want you to leave we need you in order to help build the country and my appeal to the taliban is do everything in your power to not frighten people because these are traumatized and frightened people they are they had hoped for a better taliban they have not seen that materialize if they want to keep these people who do want to be in their homeland to stay then they need to honor their commitments and the international community has to hold them accountable to that you advise the obama white house you have worked with the taliban looking at what has happened what does this tell you about the taliban it did did they allow this to happen are they just not able to prevent something like this to happen what is your sense what is your gut on on what this tells us about the new taliban if indeed this is truly a new taliban i think it tells me two things one is it’s very unclear the taliban relationship with other extremist groups in the country we do not know um and i don’t think it’s very clear-cut about where is and where the taliban is where there’s collusion among maybe not at the leadership level but among the forces we do not have that information in order to be able to say affirmatively what those dynamics are second we knew that the taliban did not have the capacity to govern they could take over uh regions they could not hold it and we’re seeing a reflection of that that they can’t govern and we’re just talking about the airport that the fact that they’re not even able to to uh to manage the airport manage their forces send consistent messages to their forces to it’s all very worrisome because the international community and the region right now has come to the conclusion that the taliban will take is going to govern afghanistan i think we’re far from there i think what it requires is for the region and the international community to mobilize to ensure that the country does not fall apart if there one is the draconian measure of the taliban that we have to manage and ensure that they protect the gains achieved or let’s let’s dial it back just to protect the rights of of afghans um and two to prevent that the country from falling apart having civil war another vacuum in which terrorism can step into a region where you have four nuclear weapons this is not a light issue the conflict and instability in afghanistan is not something something you can put a pot over and walk away from it will have an impact on the region and beyond and end up on our doorstep again and you have worked with the taliban how does the taliban view isis even more specifically isis k the new al qaeda if you will i’ve engaged the taliban i have not worked with them um and you know that i think there’s certainly an element of life of a rivalry between the two groups but there has also been cooperation between the groups the groups in the past you know there are no there have been there is a the difference between afghanistan and somalia and other places where there’s jihadists is it’s seen as sort of almost a symbolic sanctuary because of the 1980s because of al qaeda and there’s a drawing to the region and wanting to take over this region by by jihadi elements there’s at least 50 different groups that are vying for space in this area and there’s been you know it’s there is not rigid distinctions between these groups there is a flowing back and forth sometimes there’s a changing of hats there’s a lack of clarity and that’s what really worries me about this situation because there has been this this tremendous good faith on the part of the u.s and the international community that they can hand things over to the taliban and the taliban will be able to manage this that is a big assumption because what we’ve seen in terms of the taliban’s capacity to govern um and its inability to actually break from al qaeda it never did that despite the fact that if there was a an agreement the u.s the taliban agreement obliged into that and they didn’t do it and so all of that leaves me very very concerned that and the tremendous war fatigue and everyone wanting to leave afghanistan that what we are leaving behind is a very very unstable situation that will not even lead to an enormous humanitarian catastrophe that’s unfolding before our eyes but it’s going to be have in brave security implications for afghanistan for the region and more broadly for the international community in the u.s reno amira really appreciate your insight thank you so much we will continue to look forward obviously with you and the future afghanistan and the women and the children and just life within that country appreciate you thank you hi everyone george stephanopoulos here thanks for checking out the abc news youtube channel if you’d like to get more videos show highlights and watch live event coverage click on the right over here to subscribe to our channel and don’t forget to download the abc news app for breaking news alerts thanks for watching
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Breaking down the situation in Afghanistan after 2 explosions rock Kabul

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