BRICS AFRICA PARTNERSHIP HOW CAN IT SHAPE AFRICA’S ECONOMIC TRAJECTORY

BRICS AFRICA PARTNERSHIP HOW CAN IT SHAPE AFRICA’S ECONOMIC TRAJECTORY

[Music] [Music] the african continent is in its quest or in its quest to redefine a perfect economic pathway which would enable it attend its development agendas vow to maximize its cooperation with four nations international blacks to attend those objectives recently brics nations have made their presence felt again on the continent seeking stronger economic partnerships through the creation of brics new development bank other times south africa the lones african states in the block is current between the rock and a hard place how can south africa maximize the advantages of the brics to push its economic growth see more african nations join the block which comprises of strong economic giants like russia would also be opposed to its drive for continental trade and industrialization however for this to be positive it is imperative for many actors including african governments civil society entrepreneurs and others to fully engage in this partnership notwithstanding a group of experts pan-africanists recently held a virtualization under the banner of the new dawn vision in order to better exploit these advantages of partnering with brics and also counter the hegemony of the west however the big question is how can breaks ensure effective implementation of the program it supports in africa and how can it dub help to define africa’s economic trajectory brics africa partnership how can brics help to support africa’s economic trajectory in the recent partnership it is creating with uh the countries in africa ladies and gentlemen welcome to this edition of the pan-african debate we are here again to talk about brics africa partnership and today our focus is on how the brics nation can help the continent africa define its economic trajectory we are talking this at a time that africa is making a great milestones towards trading with itself and with the strong nations in the brics including russia china and many others we tend to ask if this cooperation uh coming this particular moment will go along we are to helping foster economic growth in africa and that’s why we’re asking the question how can brics support africa in its programs in africa or in the continent and of course how can it direct us take hold the south african government towards a clear economic trajectory to attaining its development agenda 2030 2063 year ladies and gentlemen this is the pan african debate and if you are just joining us you are most welcome we have tourists to be together to talk about this and as we heard in our preamble a group of expert civil societies and pan-africanists have been making strides to seeing that they contribute there on quarter towards taking africa to the top especially economically and now is that what we heard about the new donor vision seeking to uh foster brics africa relationship and also to fight western hegemony thank you for joining uh uh it is on this node ladies and gentlemen before i uncover the panel it is important that we go to meet uh teacher sharon with this detailed report and i will join you after that the hegemony of the west and highlights the relationship of africa with brics countries was stopped on the agenda of a project dubbed the new dawn vision hosted by keep on africanists and socialists in and around africa the virtual conference with the president of academic and convention for pan-africanism in progress paseka famously and hidabeno head of the party for socialism and liberation being lead speakers targeted amongst other factors linked to encouraging multi-poverty multilateralism and alternatives to neo-liberal austerity as well as resistance to neo-liberal austerity the forum equally discussed africa’s resistance to neoliberal colonization and exploitation of the rich continent the establishment of these mutually beneficial relationships comes at a time when brics is celebrating 15 years of long-standing partnership between all four countries and africa as a whole at the virtual forum participants highlighted the need to foster relationships between brics countries and other african countries with similar backgrounds in an effort to reach out to developing countries given the capacity it has to assist rising economies through the brits bank the bank in itself was created to counter imperialist banks and provide aid to developing countries most especially boost investment in the global south however the cooperation creates a more comfortable environment and brings better negotiation positions to africa giving it the power of choice different from the traditional new colonialist ideas promoted by some western countries the call is that of integrating other african nations into brics given that only south africa stands as a voice amidst four or the western countries in the cooperation nonetheless the aid russia and china bring in accompanying partner countries in their struggle for independence from imperialism and against apathy in africa cannot be entirely neglected with establishing fetal ground for fruitful partnerships between brics and african countries this collaboration partners say will be established on the basis of agricultural digital medical and educational aid offered by russia which is applauded by many african countries who see the scheme as a vital tool to both parties rather than the usual exploitative cooperations however the benefits of establishing fruitful cooperations between russia china india and africa as experts explain will go a long way in offering a wide range of technology services suitable for all and completely different from political ties which make the african continent dependent on the west bridge unlike other bodies presents itself as a group of strong and promising partners who focus more on values and mutual benefits through the deals it offers the body looks forward to exploring other avenues in cultural humanitarian academic and business areas and that was a teacher sharon with that detailed report how can brics nation foster positive ties with africa without actually infringing or without actually uh infringing in its autonomy we know that most african nations have gained independence but then we still have a problem of how uh other nations are infringing into of the autonomy of this nations uh before we get to uncovering or to discovering in greater details of what breaks africa partnership is all about in this contemporary society i would like of course for us to uncover the panel and of course we’re taking you now to the united states of america we are meeting dr nyaka olagoki his lecturer at the lincoln university hello to you dr nyakur nice meeting you again well i’m going to the united states to say welcome to okay thanks for joining us today on the pan-african debate of course uh we apologize for that uh before we go back to the u.s here in the studio with me we have a performance france he’s the ceo of legal ceo holdings and also an entrepreneur hello to you germans i was a pleasure having here hello africa it is a pleasure to join you this afternoon on the pan-african debate to talk about bricks and there are direct consequences on the african continent both in relationship with economics and uh and politics we hope that in the next two hours we’ll unveil what it holds for the african continent and our views who also count or sensitize african people on what brics has for us thank you very much once more absolutely yeah we seek a win-win relationship and now we go to switzerland are meeting dr umba forte he is an educational scholar also an i.t uh specialist hello to you dr ford and thanks for joining us today hello clarisse hello televiewers of the pan-african channel it is my pleasure to be with you again today and i look forward to the program thank you so very much for honoring us this uh invitation uh dr fordham i don’t know if everything is okay with dr nyaka can we go back to the united states to welcome dr nyaka lakoki oh yes i did you could not hear me i said thanks for the opportunity i am uh content to be here and we’re going to have a very interesting conversation with the co-panelists and then morning to uh the videos of africa media okay thank you so very much gentlemen for making it around the world on today’s program the pan-african debate and we are looking how can brexit help africa redefine its economic trajectory at the time the continent of free trade area is already on at a time the continent is striving towards attaining a better economic independence i’ll start with you uh juventus of course we we have looked at the problematic before coming into greater details understanding it let’s try to look at analyzer breaks african partnership in the contemporary society given the prevailing covet 19. thank you very much clarisse let me start by saying that i remember vividly that the therm bricks or the acronym bricks was uh invented by jimmy nell in 2001 uh initially as an economic block brick not including an s that means it was only for breed uh for for it was only for brazil india russia and china and they were hoping to create an economic block that could dominate the world because those were countries that were saying that at that particular point in time the economies were quite rising and they needed to have a particular group that was going to control them so they created it without a consideration of africa africa was not actually a primary concern their concern was to build their economic block but as time was going on they saw a necessity that in the past uh the the the european world has been focused on colonizing or taking a face around africa uh uh living on africa parasitically so they were like no it’s better they see how to strike a relationship with africa so they can have a win-win or a mutual agreement with various african con countries then they were looking forward how could they move to africa before in the late 29 2009 south africa expressed their interest to join the the block and as south africa was coming in they saw now a necessity that they could project an agenda like they are moving into africa to have a win-win with africa they were not moving to recolonize africa but they use the terms that were moving for a new functional oil functionalism metal to work with the african continent with as time was going on the south africa was taking a key role with them and they saw a necessity that it is good that they give them an opportunity to implement their agenda in africa and i think so far not very bad they are trying to meet up those some of us africans the whole strong perspective that it is t operating with neo-colonial and neo-colonial tendencies which is not yet very good for africa because they are trying to create a market they are trying to use africa as a market thinking that or giving the impression that africa can use them as a market but when you look critically africa is not actually using the mass market they are using africa as a main supplier of raw material and are using africa now as a market to to to actually supply their already processed much um processed food products and when you’re looking it’s very detrimental to africa when you look at it critically what africa sends out doesn’t have the same value that comes in which to me is sealed a neo-colonialist agenda not very good for the african continent of course uh let me stay with you gervans you made mentioned about something now we are looking at how brics can help africa shape its economic path its economic trajectory you have highlighted a problem how can it be solved by giving value probably to what is africa produces absolutely what africa needs now as i always say is a complete paradigm shift africa needs to act actually be and be bestowed up those facilities that can transform the raw materials that are in africa are supposed to actually be processed in africa so anybody coming to africa with an agenda that is not related to african manufacturing doesn’t make sense or does is not out to support africa because what africa actually needs to do now we should be able to transform what we have then we should be able to take it to the international market if we cannot process if we if if we are limited at the level of raw materials then absolutely it is not to to our advantage because in the from time immemorial the western world or other countries have always used africa as a position where they come to exploit raw materials and if brics is coming now hoping that africa for example will export their petrol to them while they process other products and sell to africans it doesn’t make sense if brics wants to help africa they must first of all ensure that the value they send in africa should be somehow equivalent to the value that is taken out of africa and moving towards their dimension and absolutely we cannot even be thinking that brick is yet doing enough to help africa meanwhile the only country in africa that sits on the decision making uh making board of brick is south africa which is like the giant the economic giant of africa so we can’t even think that it is something more disadvantageous to the african people because when you look at it south africa is going to the table not actually representing the interests of the general african continent they are rather representing their interests as a country that is doing well in the in the business so they are looking for ways to advance their product so if brics has an agenda to to support or to advance africa or the economy of africa they should forget about military bases and look critically in transforming the production industry in africa okay i’ll come back to you give answer we’re going to switzerland uh let’s uh meet a doctor of whatever i want to ask you the question listening to gervais analysis i want to ask this question how can brexit change the narratives by helping to shape africa to grow economically probably adding value to what is african well um not sure i could answer your question directly but um like like uh joel rightly mentioned if you look at the foundation of the insertion of brakes which came as an alternative to uh to the world bank you only you know um every year you have the top eight economies in the world that made which is uh usually referred as the g8 and based on their meetings they organize health packages and so members of other countries who are usually not invited within the g8 or you could say the g8 plus one summits they organized and created what we know today as the bricks now how what role can the breaks play for africa one thing that africans will understand is that the ultimate development of africa lies exclusively exclusively in the hands of africans but does it mean that africans can grow without partnering with external organizations like the brits or the world bank or the ameth no but africa has to be at the table when decisions are made if you look at the members of the brics you have china you have brazil uh you have russia which are the core members now south africa joined um as as as a late member if you look at all those countries they have investments in africa and you you want to ask yourself is it true breaks that they are actually going to do stuff for africa because if you see the way china has penetrated into multiple countries and the way they are exploiting not only labor but as well as our raw materials you ask yourself are they doing that outside of brics or is it as a result of breaks coming in so yes we can partnership with them they can play a vital role in the goal of africa but it has to be uh it doesn’t have to be at the expense of our raw material or the expense of africa so africans have to be able at the table so the the problem is that we have written accomplices within the imperialist systems that were built by our by the colonial masters which now makes it difficult for such organizations to have an impact on the population because it is not today that these countries at any individual level have been doing business with african countries but but contradictively most african countries are still very poor so you want to ask yourself is it that when these countries deal with us at the individual level they are exploit exploitatory manner but when they come as an organization that is when they are going to empower africans so i think the problem here is that africans are not at the table to make decisions because we have uh people within the systems within the african systems that are just accomplices to getting africans more poor now brits can play a bigger role but this is still to be known because unless we have a system where people who are uh in decision making positions are accountable to those who put them there rather than to them periods so um that is where you start seeing some fruitfulness in all these organizations and breaks and breaks for that matter as well thank you dr forte i’ll be coming back to you subsequently to the united states of america we’re meeting dr lakoki um mr doctor nyaka we are looking at brics africa partnership and i know that you’re one of those people who have been advocating for this partnership saying that africa can actually benefit a lot if the partner positively or if the exploit the advantages of that are in this partnership i want us to probably you to enlighten us on these advantages of course we heard of about the the new donor vision fostering africa bridge partnership and also fighting uh western hegemony can we understand this better okay thank you very much um i am a very wonderful conversation that i was not expecting uh this saturday uh for those uh for those who are thinking about uh the future of africa and those who are trying to see what africa can be uh in like in the in the in the next decades uh we think that the existence of the brics uh gives what i call the power of choice you know to africa and then uh the the the company listed like in the in the studio and even uh i think it’s the fourteen who is calling from switzerland uh they’ll talk about they gave like a brief historical overview about the existence of or the creation of the briton woods institution in the aftermath of world war ii at the imf at the world bank and the general agreement on trades and terrorists later on which became the world trade organization and many other institutions that were created including the united nations how to foster peace and prosperity and progress but for 70 good years and then africa in that time like in the in the 40s of course many african territories were colonies of the the of european powers and then with the creation of the brics and now there is a possibility for africa to have a better bargaining power and then because uh south africa is there it is an acknowledged acknowledgement of the importance of africa on the international scene when the institution of the british were created of course many african territories were colonies but this time we have south africa which is there even though like the brother in this set even though south africa is there to defend his own interests but south africa is still an african country and this is a good opportunity and now in the light of what is happening in the world and particularly uh in africa with the the revival or the renewal of the pan-african consciousness uh we thought that it was very important for us to put together an institution that we call the new don vision uh to raise the issues that the co-panelists are raising for africa to you know to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of the existence of the brics as of course i am a teacher at lincoln university but as a social activist we launched in 2007 the revival of an africanism forum in order to contribute to the pan-african conversation as a nigorian nationalist and then activist we i was involved with many others lacking the struggle for the sovereignty of ivory coast and also for the freedom of bible was incarcerated at the international criminal court and now with friends uh in the united states in different parts of the world we’ve been working you know in the field of internationalism and that’s why we seized the opportunity to create the new vision in order to engage the conversation and present the interests of the british countries and also the spirit of multilateralism multi-polarity and multiculturalism and the spirit of sovereignty and then on saturday and then of course we organized the the uh the first conference and it will be organizing conferences as uh and then now so so that you know we can have a real conversation so that it cannot just be an issue of the leaders who are in the position of of decision but for people in the civil society intellectuals policymakers scholars so that we can have that conversation and we can own that conversation okay yeah thank you so very much dr naka for for that great analysis let me stay with you you’ve made mention about what africa can gain if they’re actually partnered with these brics nations we know that there are the uh employer programs that the brics are actually implementing all in africa programs how can they probably push through it without interfering or violating the policy of non-interference first of all uh and then i think our my the company said it and then on this i you know i i have to agree with them uh usually uh powers or countries in the world when they you know when they want to what they do they defend their their personal uh okay i’ll come back to you dr niaka uh german we are looking at still how this new partnership because the the united nations recently said that the brics nations are well positioned to help the world in africa in particular attend this agenda 2030 and we know that there’s this quest to fight hunger and insecurity on the continent let’s try to rela relates it’s looking at what risk and we know that some brics nations are like russia already involved in central africa and it’s doing a great job of fighting the rebels or insurgency in that part of the country but then how can we extend this aid to probably this assistance to other african nations to see that hunger poverty and insecurity uh become things of the past uh clarisse i think here i would like to start by stating that um in as much as they are doing good for africa or they think they are doing good for africa africans are not orphans and africans can better handle themselves if you look critically everybody is placing bricks for doing sufficient work to help africa and to me i think that the main domain of interest is uh in the the defend and the economic industry as far as brics activities in africa is concerned as you rightly stated that in central african republic fighting rebels are in sudan in libya and what not so but now i ask myself how did we even get to the level that will need the military intervention in the continent that’s one big thing we should be looking at and if actually they’re they’re doing well or they want to help africans why don’t they initiate programs like uh programs that can empower the agricultural sector in africa like maybe picking some few africans from various respective countries training them on in their respective countries with greenhouse agriculture and sending them back in africa to work and provide food for africa which is a direct way of solving the problem of food security oh are they trying to create problems in africa and use africa to market their imported vegetables and their and other veggies around africa no that’s not a way to empower a continent we need we can we are already empowered and we just need access to the right opportunities and some of the opportunities they can give to africa to show that they are actually there to empower africa is to take some people from africa maybe they do one or two months internship in their respective countries in domains where they think that they are doing better there and then return back to africa to work for africa but if you actually have to understand that brick has an agenda they are trying to accomplish apart from the one they preach that are trying to help africa you are you you actually see from the activities where they think that the best africa can bring to the table is to send them raw materials but now most of the raw materials they take from africa are the materials they can process they take a memories from africa boxites gold and so on to their respective countries the intent process it and send it back to the to africa where the value has skyrocketed and now they they make us dry we have to buy at expensive prices but those are things that get from us at cheaper prices or what if they decide that okay now if they are processing gold if they are processing magnesium if they are processing whatever they move down to africa they create the companies in africa they take workers from africa and they train the working force employ them in africa and let the production be done in africa why those products are sold in africa and some even shipped to the world market would that not be sufficient help i think that that’s only or the most effective way that if brics want to help africa brics can come in but if they think that what we need is them to come in for military intervention we obviously we are tired of the political instability the coupe details taking place in africa that are giving them opportunities to step in to show us their might we are tired of that and what we need now is the advancement of our technology what we need is the development of our continent what we need is to produce what we use and also take what we produce to the world market we also need to use their countries as a market for us that’s the only and most effective way we can feel empowered we can feel we can be able to raise the financial resources needed to to advance our own agendas in africa not that we should be somewhere and then they just step in to help us at any time or at real we don’t want that okay okay okay okay gervans uh uh dr foterman liner with what uh juventus just said we are very much aware that the problems of young people in africa uh uh so many that we cannot start to enumerate here but then let’s look at how this partnership can work in favor of probably solving going to solve some of those problems that are faced by young people in africa how can this relationship actually help stem one major problem which is that of migrant crisis because we think that if this partnership comes to to help and to to empower africans economically it will help to solve this problem so in your opinion what needs to be done at this particular moment well um clarisse you you brought in two important questions then the partnership and the fact that we have uh part of the african workforce trying to migrate to europe to swim their way um to europe first i think is is two force we have to be untented by the luxuries or any politics and set ourselves free from any political financial reliance that we get from associating ourselves with this kind of organizations and so every african has to be responsible it is the responsibility of every african euro or adult to understand the systems to understand why we are discussing our reliance our dependence on these things and take positive actions um if you look for example if you if you parade facebook you see a lot of posts showing african doing great things but this african has discovered that this african has discovered that share the post and make this guy great how many times have you gone online and seen that post of about a chinese about a japanese about an american you don’t see that but does it mean that they are not doing great things they are doing even more marvelous things so we have reduced ourselves to the level of dependence on the unknown and that is why you see african refusing to bear the i’m thinking if i go away from my continent this is the time when i can showcase or have opportunities to drive through now the panelists would with your understand you’re mentioning quite right africa should be stopped should be stopped being viewed as a male producer of raw material so the breaks can play a great role how now partnership has to be equitable we cannot have partnership where one is considered as just having a naive role of just listening and abiding to certain roles rather than actively taking part and contributing yeah apologize for that interruption ladies and gentlemen if you’re just joining us okay dr forte if you are there please can you go on with your analysis like i was saying we have to get to the level where africans when they are part of the table they can make their voices heard without any fear of reprisal and and this is the problem that we have and we have talents but we don’t have the opportunities we have uh uh raw materials but we cannot process them now the decision from say those who have the talent it’s not always to want to run away or to shy away from their responsibilities but you also need those opportunities so if the breaks is coming naturally they are going to work in collaboration with the government in place so they can use their leverage they can use their power to say we have to provide opportunities to those back here when you see images of workers in zambia when you see images of workers in zambia working in a chinese firm being treated as slaves then you ask yourself is this not the same country which is part of the bricks how can that happen and so the reason is just because we have people within the system that allow that to happen and so the bridge is also is just working according to the loss of the land and remember the bridge is representing the interest of the country russia will not allow uh the russian population to suffer because africa has to develop we are not developing for russia but we can be partners with russia and be mutual benefits but this is not the case right now because what is happening is we are merely being considered as participants we are not as decision makers and as long as we’ll only be there as participants people make decisions on rbl and the result will be you see now kids trying to run away thinking that it is only when you have the possibility to leave the african continent that you will succeed how many african presidents have condemned the fact that over 300 more than 300 000 africans have dragged back to the mediterranean how many actions have been taken if you even see within the mediterranean sea uh the boats were there to save people from drowning these are european but how many african countries have contributed money to make sure that those who are even stuck as we’re speaking right now in libya and pleading for help find a way to return safely back home it is as though that problem is not theirs it is someone else’s problem it is those who feel decided they have the right of choice but when when as brics whereas the imf when this whatever organization comes in to bring funds to bring uh solutions to some of these problems you have now people within the system who sit on it and they don’t feel as though this has to be shown today to the uh to the uh uh to to to the other classes and so that is the problem that i think even breaks is gonna hit so we need bridge to stand tall and say um educational programs should be fostered in africa if you want to discourage youth to take the mediterranean you need to have educational programs that when they graduate they can become entrepreneurs themselves they can help grow your economy so if i come with a job like the chinese company that i saw one they come with a job in africa and they say we need people who can run these type of machines we need people who can work with iit tools then we can say these are the people we have we should not be producing people with certificates who cannot do the actual jobs that these brics or whatever organization will be bringing and so i think that problem has to be tackled twofold the government bricks has to be responsible and take their responsibility in holding their partnership with their respective governments talk not just using them as participants and then the youths have to bear their responsibilities that they have to actively participate in the building up of their country you don’t abandon it and then you go out there and you start complaining that you don’t have jobs you have to take part whether it is through the civil society what is true political activism you have to be part of the solution the solution will not come from bricks brics can help they can foster it if they live up to the expectation that it is not their responsibility because their responsibility is to cater for their population if you look at zambia over very soon you have over two percent of the population will be chinese and it is not by mistake this is a politics from china if they’re not doing that just because they love from there so much no it’s a policy that they are trying to implement and so they are working for the benefit of their respective countries and if we want to get something out of these partnerships we have to work on a level ground you are a doctor for timer dr niaka let’s continue in the slides of dr fordham has had highlighted so many lapses now being a pan-africanist being a part of that civil society that uh seeks to probably reshape everything see how these uh cooperation or partnerships that international bodies countries engage with africa what do you think africa can do to to begin well because it’s all about beginning froze anytime yeah this is the network network issues can you hear me thank you very well dr nyaka okay all right yes so yes thank you um yes so i hope for this time i’m going to have the opportunity to finish my thoughts uh listen i have uh again like you said this is what we do uh we’ve been fighting uh with millions of africans like across the continent and across the globe uh to promote uh uh to contribute to an awakening of the pan-african consciousness so this is the first thing number two we are sons and daughters of africa i will have the heart in the right place that’s point number two at point number three as uh uh citizens of africa or citizens of the world we want to to take advantage of the opportunities uh that presents uh uh that that africa can take advantage of and in this particular case we are talking about the creation of the brics now i said it in the beginning that greece gives the power of choice to africa that is the first thing because we have to know that uh before the creation of the brics and even after the creation of the brics many african countries are living in the conditions of neocolonialism how to con to do not to quote commemora who wrote that book in 1965 and then because of that context it is difficult for african countries in order to trade with each other to trick among themselves and if you look for instance at the level of interest rate in ecowas it is less than 20 percent while at the level of interrupt rate in the european union it is a ball for 60 percent just to give an example now we are not saying that the briefs are going to come and save africa this is not what we are saying we are saying that it is an opportunity but now how we can uh take advantage of the creation of the brics and this uh yes i agree uh partially with dr forte uh the british countries have to be accountable or they have to be approved or to their own mission to the mission of the of the of the institution but i think that the responsibility lies in the hands of the african people that is the very important element that i’m not hearing in this conversation this morning therefore dr forten spoke about how the african youth they have to contribute in the civil society in politics they have to contribute to the building of the rescued nation yes it is important but as here we are talking about the brief so it is on us that’s why we’re launching that’s why we’re having this conversation we need to tell the russians that the chinese the indians and the brazilians that we have already endured as subsequent and successive systems of oppression i think slavery and then slavery colonialism apartheid globalization and then today neocolonialism now we do not want uh china to do what the united states has done or what france or england have done to africa but at the same time even though we have to be uh worried about the chinese growing as an empire i think that we have to be very cautious and i can say that dr forte we should not equate what the chinese are doing in africa that i do not appreciate or that we denounce because we cannot equate that to slavery right we cannot equate what china is doing as bad as it is too slavery and sometime i hear people say oh yeah the chinese are doing slavery that is not slavery maybe they can become slavery it may be in 100 years but that is not slavery slavery was something very different and we know that because when we had the conversation on saturday there was a brother he lives with me in the united states talking about china he’s doing so many bad things in sri lanka that china is as far as the united states and china is as bad as the european powers you may love the west but you cannot say that whatever china is doing to become the biggest part of the world is as bad as slavery when you talk about slavery to hundreds of years it is about killing mutilating castrating lynching like depriving black people you know from the basic rights that they were given the united states of the civil after the civil war from 1861 to 1865 so that is something that i wanted to our i want our friends to understand now it is when we become more audible and then when we organize and when we tell the chinese russian that this is what we want and then therefore they’re going to listen to us but if our leaders are because they want to have like some some crumbs or some little some petty cash and they think that they go to uh to you know to to to defend the interest of some business partners to the detriment of the masses then i think that it is first our mistake that is my position when we talk about african issues so be gervais in the studio dr forte myself or the friends of the brothers that are working with africa or many other people in the world who are organizing we are doing that because we think that that is the right thing for us to do because if all of us we are quiet and if one of us may think that we just we’re going to care about our jobs our children our families listen whoever comes to africa is going to take advantage of the state of weakness in which africa is our job is to contribute to the empowerment of the country of africa this is how if we are lucky enough uh to put into power if we to put in power leaders like foreign and then samurai marshall or nelson mandela then we know that those leaders can defend the interests of the african masses and then the different interests of the african masses when they bargain with the imf they will defend the interests of the african masses when they bargain with the brics now one thing that gervais said and i wanted to to not to to to talk about it yeah china is today china because there was in the past there was some favorable historical factors that helped china become a big power and also oh yeah yeah there they have the support of the russians uh not to just give an example uh in the case of south africa as that when there was then avatar was enforced how that system was dismantled the same thing with colonialism there were some some sons and daughters of africa who were fighting for freedom who were the support of of the descendants of of of the of of africa in the diaspora who have the support of freedom seekers and justice lovers who are non-africans across the globe and this is how people defeated are apartheid with the support of russia with the support of libya with the support of many countries in africa and with the support of cuba so because of the desire of former colonial powers like france have just mentioned that country you know to destroy the spirit of sovereignty of africa uh is going to be difficult for us to just rely on our weak armies or to rely on ourselves when we want to defend our sovereignty or our freedom against a european power we may need the support of some other countries and in that case so far it is russia that is expressing some interest in defending the interests of the central african republic and that’s why in mali and many others in many african countries the members of the civil society are hoping that russia can help them fight against french neo-colonialism i just want to rectify that for the brother jeffers so this is what i wanted to say okay thank you uh dr nyaka i’ll be coming back to you jarvan so let’s let’s go to see the viewpoint of paseka of pharoah mary he’s a south african of course he he would have been with us today but uh for some reasons uh he couldn’t make it but of course we are going to get his viewpoint uh talking about the brics africa relationship and taking south africa as a case study of course the learn african nation uh that belongs to the brics so specifically one thing that i’d like to highlight is the the the use of the movement itself the the the the the the youngness if i may say of the movement itself because um brexit in itself is not as old as the other movements that surround it however the strikes and the potential that it holds to improve developing markets and developing economies and developing countries is so massive that it has become problematized in the western world uh because of the potential that it holds thus it has become so easy for uh western media and the likes to portray it as something that it it tends to not be so the first thing that i’d like to indicate is south africa comes into briggs in the year 2010 so it’s relatively new it’s the newest mamba member of the movement it’s the smallest econo economy within the movement and the organization it it it also lacks in quite a few things such as development and just the economy in general um however the impacts that the brics um that bricks on itself has had over the last few years over the last 10 years or so on south africa have been there for us all to see but the most important thing is that we need to be cognizant of the fact that breaks in itself is not only supposed to be helping those countries that are within namely brazil russia india um sorry china and south africa but it’s supposed to help other rising economies or other countries that have potential to rise south african and academic and uh jovanza i would like us to look at the role south africa has to play there we know that it is the lone african nation how can south africa maximize this partnership to probably fostering economic development in the country and africa as a whole or see if actually this partnership is a win-win then how can south africa lobby for other countries to join the block because all we’re talking about is about positive cooperation we need each other to grow at a time that africa needs the technical know-how to foster its its agendas its project so south africa being the lone nation in the block what does it uh probably take for the country to maximize the advantages of this marriage or partnership okay thank you once more um i believe when i started i did talk about the game of interest that i see bricks much like something that deals with a game of interest no matter how we try to sugarcoat it to look like something good it is not this it’s not good it’s something that people uh they have an agenda and uh some of us don’t actually understand our agenda of brics uh maybe we don’t have a proper understanding of it but when you look at we want to look at what is beneficial to south africa and what south africa can do for it to be beneficial to the continent you have to look at what they carry in their agenda first of all they are looking at uh investments or opportunity that they are looking to solve the problem of food security and then for foreign direct investment and then they’re looking at um uh uh assistance for development for the african continent and the first thing is that uh one thing we should know very well is that they never console africa to understand what africa needs to develop they never they they predicted that we are suffering from a problem of neocolonialism which is true and i’ve come in with new functionalism which is something which is not good for us i would never accept that except that it’s good it’s not good for us so now they are looking at africa that africa is on the one way the way where we supply them primary materials so we supply them with foil where we supply them with raw materials or where we in where we export food to them that means they are almost at a dining point where they need food and they are hoping that food producers in south africa will supply food to them which of course is very good for the economy of south africa then when you look at the other agenda of foreign direct investment as it stands now it is so much difficult for an african country to have money or to have what it takes to invest in any of this country therefore on the other hand it will only permit the other giants of the bric brick ass brick block to invest in africa and when they invest in africa what do they do in port also they are level we don’t even benefit from their labor they import their labor they come and work and they still carry the money from our economy and goes with it so what south africa should be doing now is that south africa should understand that if to say that bric has a clear agenda to work to foster development in african continent at least there should be key member states that even equal those uh uh equal the other four members south africa should not be alone country they should at least look at other giants that are growing maybe they can decide okay each block there’s a max zone echoes and so on they should nominate one member to sit on the on the bench of of brick to take decisions that concerns the continent if actually the agenda is not to implement well or to foster what the other four powers have uh as interest in africa and what makes me so much convinced that they have an agenda that are just trying to sugarcoat it to look like they want to help africa is if you look critically after the independence of brazil for example they were focused on america and europe they were never focused on africa until the time that uh is it lucile del siva became president that he saw that there was something interested in africa there was something that this or the other powers that have colonized africa had that he he he directed focus towards africa then when he directed focus towards africa he started trying to create uh diplomatic missions in africa russia was a little bit quiet when russia discovered that china had a specific interest in africa what did russia do russia expressed their interest on africa which was how brick in one way or the other was building from the background when they discover that these are four people that has there is food on the table and everybody is hungry to eat the food they were like oh let’s create a situation let’s move to these people let’s tell them we are not coming to take you people are slaves again we are not coming to take you people to work for us rather we are coming to help you but in helping you we’ll have to you people have to give us what you have we’ll process it and sell to you or maybe we need food and we cannot produce enough food because oh we cannot produce so we cannot produce sufficient food so now we have an opportunity you are good in agriculture why don’t you see how to supply this so we were under africa was the food on the table these people have interest so they move in africa now to cut things or they were like okay now let’s partition it let’s tell them we are going to help them so south africa should actually advocate for other members of the other countries in africa to sit on the table draw a rope roadmap of what they think that can be done to develop africa we should be circulating around the manufacturing and the processing industry in africa and of course that that’s the role of the civil society and other stakeholders now in the contemporary africa germans to see that when africa is engaging into any partnership with uh maybe whosoever it should be also to help the continent in its quest to also attend that position that most nations of the brics we know africa is moving towards industrialization we need the technical know-how it’s all about the beginning part what you take to the table and probably how you trade with other nations uh doctor for them i’m coming back to you to switzerland we are still i want us to look into greater details the role south africa the lord nation can play to be able to bring other african states on the table for the benefits of the country given the uh the capacity of most the brics nations it’s true that we’ve mentioned of what china is doing on the continent which are some experts also people largely see or see as largely in negative but then let’s look at how we know globalization uh it’s it’s also good it’s it’s it’s good to interact to share ideas so what can south africa do at this particular moment to maximize to make good use of this partnership that will help boost africa’s economies not only south africa’s economy but africa’s economy as a whole we know africa needs to trade with itself but then you need knowledge from outside that will help you to push through yeah thank you clarissa last question and before answering your question i’ll i’ll i’ll i’ll make a little bit of a u-turn to what dr uh nyaka said uh in terms of breaks and past africa to make their own decision and so my question is how well can you make those decisions if you have unwitting accomplices within the systems we we shouldn’t forget here that we’re not talking about great speeches you know people can always talk great make great speeches uh mention the intention of wanting to be good or do good to africa but this action that will reveal whatever intentions that they have so um breaks in itself is not a bad organization so my my intervention is not to say it is bad you know it’s bad for us um no one will open the doors to his house and just let it strange without questioning them but if you do that then you have you have deliberately given subdued or given every any power that you have so i think south africa and itself that we should start looking uh precisely what is south africa getting from that from brics from being part of it before even going to the point of it should be looking at bringing in um uh some i think you lost me there can you still hear me clarice yeah i can hear your doctor full time i was actually going to to ask a question uh not trying to interrupt your analysis but then we are looking at how uh south africa can maximize these opportunities we are talking about foreign direct investment how can south african businesses grow entrepreneurs how can the country bring these people into the block for them to to tap from the probably the economic potentials of these strong nations she’s coming back i’m with you dr forte dr forte i actually was coming to exhale south africa can make good use of this uh opportunity this partnership to bring south african businesses or to make the country favorable for foreign direct investment or bringing businesses into the brics blocks oh it seems we have a rough time getting to dr fordham but where everything is being uh put in other we are going to listen to this other person this is heda bino uh talking about her western hegemony and according to her africa has the right to choose its trading partners and also has the right to bargain for what is uh favorable to to the continent as a whole let’s listen to ben uh heather banner you know the concern of being dominated by another power is is always a concern that oppressed peoples have especially after you know africa was carved up by the european powers and now the united states is working with those same european powers essentially to militarily and economically suffocate the continent so at the end of the day um the concern is real um and there are liberation movements developing like we alluded to um among the youth and um and also you know the movement for pan-africanism that is growing across the continent and so obviously investing more um time and attention and solidarity and strengthening and support in the working class and the movements on the continent are the most critical aspect here but where there is the need for development and that people on the ground demand that development demand access to finance um what we’re seeing is simply that china is shifting the world dynamic away from one where the united states is simply able to just do whatever it wants and write all the rules after the overthrow of the soviet union to one where at least the united states has to take into account the fact that china is offering something better and for example if you come into power in africa and not to say that you’re a socialist or even a revolutionary but if you come into power and you’re looking for financing and you say i want to redistribute wealth i want to have equality i want to build up infrastructure um you have options now that you wouldn’t have had before the viewpoint of heather benoit for party for socialism enter a liberation if you are just joining us you are most welcome this is the pan-african debates ladies and gentlemen it is informative and interactive please to be part of this program you need just to that the numbers you have on your screen and also participate share your own opinion what do you think africa can take to the table as far as brics africa partnership is concerned coming at a time that countries are trying to rebuild after the uh devastating nature of the coronavirus pandemic dr forte i was with here and uh i was trying to for probably to make us understand what south africa can do we we actually had what uh heather benner said it’s it’s about what you want it’s about how you bargain for it so how can south africa the lone african nation take other african states developing economies or african businesses into the black nation for the benefits of the canternet again thanks larry and i’ll try to see if my thoughts can go across that now i don’t think it’s is the participation into the block that will make africa so we have to separate those two if you go back in the 1980s if you go to a country like cameron which is mine you see that the airpods the bridges most most of those were built in those tanks we didn’t have brick or we didn’t have we had we had the same institutions that we have today but what happened during that time you had people who are ready to work for africa the problem is not a pertinence to the brakes no the problem is you that you need people who are accountable there are so many times china has lended money to african countries and it has been squandered we didn’t hear any china say we’re not going to give you any more money because the one we we lend it to you you have squandered it china can build a 10 story building in a week how many african countries can do that there are two million engineers that are producing china every year how many are produced within the african continent we should not we should only limit ourselves to good speeches i always say good speeches are only as good as when you get them into practicability so if if the brits for example could say we have created an engineering uh institution in this country as a result of the partnership uh with breaks and because of that this institution is going to produce pay yeah a hundred thousand engineers that can help in the transformational cocoa i’ll clap for breaks i’m not here into winning money come and take money because what happens with that money is that those who take those money which is usually those who are in power they’re returning back to china and to europe and put those money in the bank accounts there and when they do that nobody comes to them behind because you always see them going for holidays and stuff and at the end it is the youths who always suffer because they use because of lack of opportunities lack of proper training they start looking for ways out of africa if the brics through south africa either through south africa or some other initiatives that they want to help we should get practical i think are frozen again no it’s gonna stop go on dr forte can you hear me yeah i can hear you i can i can hear because i think our connection is good the connection okay come on we’re listening to you please all right thank you so um like i was saying so this is how for example the bricks can be concrete in the way in which they can develop we should get past the the notion that someone through a form will make a great speech and that will be resolved in us believing in those great speeches we have had leaders within the african continent who are ready to work for their uh for africa and we have resources even with that i think uh if if a doctor uh uh um uh i guess would not disagree with me here that even blackboard who said that africa can grow without taking any loans it’s quite true because we have the natural resources the world as as javance mentioned they come to africa in search of raw materials so if we had the know-how to transform our raw materials we would be not much in need of those uh of the foreign laws i remember if you see libya that uh dr jacka mentioned libya was shot out of the uh world economics but they survived because they could transform gaddafi the lake karachi had already put in place a system that could allow libyans to be less reliant on whatever world economy and libyans were able to survive it also happened in in cameroon i think in 1975 where we didn’t have to export coffee but the the former president president aidro made it so much so that no farmer will suffer from their produce so if you have leaders who are accountable to those who put them in power this is what i’m saying that’s my point and you bring and you bring in things like bricks they to have to play their part if it’s true that they are coming and they are they want to work for their own benefit but they should not be sleeping on the fact that when they will come to help and we have leaders who are accountable they just go with it because they say well it is not our problem you guys put him there so whatever money we give him he can do whatever he wants with it and we don’t care we would only come and keep buying things keep buying things now the national tv station in zambia is owned by the chinese this they actually own it now think about it in ghana you have mining places that is exclusive to chinese no ghanaian can even go there because they have bought all the land now think about it if they do this in three four provinces in mali that will mention there are provinces that even the president to go there he needs to ask the french ambassador why is this happening so and this is why i say that we don’t have the breaks in this particular case it is not our partners it is not because somebody from the seminar will be there another person from this no if the brick actually wants to have the russians if they want to help it is not military aid that we need now because we have to get away from the idea of thinking that africans can be successful if we keep on repeating coups the fact that we are having crews every day is actually delaying our progress so they should find economic solutions to that not military solutions because military solutions are there to destroy africans even more i see people clapping in the streets of central africa republic and the rest because of the russian military no we don’t produce guns you know can you still hear me clarice yeah yeah i can hear you a doctor of whatever of course uh probably your you’re concluding oh yes i’m concluding so we don’t produce guns in africa but for some reasons we have heavy artillery parading the african streets so how do you want to grow your economy when you have parts of your continents in perpetual war situations and the same is happening in ethiopia right now so i think the british will pray that part in saying we want to help you but on condition that every help or however help you demanding from us we must see its practical uh applicability okay clarisse i’m coming to you most probably you want to say something regardless yeah they said i could not wait man i have to find these patients [Laughter] so listen actually like a great question and uh i always compliment you you know you you read journalists great questions so the question i will start with the question that you asked uh gervais and dr forte and then i’m going to respond to many of the things that dr forten i i addressed the first thing is that yes uh and again the responsibility is it is on us this is what i’m trying to share with jefferson and with dr forte and dr forte levine myself after he was doing like his great debate earlier on he has to concede somehow that we have to produce the good leaders and when he was talking about i do i don’t know you know i i i you know maybe we don’t have time to talk to have that conversation but what happened to our amadeus it was certainly replaced by somebody who could serve the interests of the europeans right so this is what they do so most of our leaders uh who are okay but our people somehow even uh kabila the father that is who is not one of my greatest heroes in africa but even though he came to power in some strange conditions i wanted to do self-sufficiency self-reliance i wanted to implement sustainable development what happened to the guy born so that’s why when we talk about neocolonialism uh this it is a reality before you even think about agricultural development that’s germans or you think about technological transfer objectives of dr forte you need to have peace and security a country at war i cannot even think about a redevelopment that’s why our people seem to be appreciating the presence of russia in the central african republic uh based on the fact that we have it looks like the french are playing politics there in order to undermine uh the spirit of sovereignty or the spirit of the spirit of self-determination in the central african republic so this is the this is also a fact that we have to take into account now when tabon leki was the president of south africa uh he promoted or he coined a new variant of pan-africanism which is the african renaissance i do not have time to give all the elements of all the techniques of that african-american friends that tabulamiki was promoting uh and as he was doing that what did he say because south africa is indebted to the pan-african struggle of therefore south africa had or has the historical responsibility to advance and promote uh pan-africanism and to foster democracy a good governance and then interest rate on the countries of africa all south africa has to be at the forefront of conflict resolution in africa this is how kabuki was involved in the crisis in africa in many other parts of out on the continent of africa so uh but south africa and taboomaki is gone zuma came the city ramaphosa is there today and then it is unfortunate but i do not see ramaphosa uh promoting a real pan-african consciousness uh besides some of these species to cause dr forte some of the some of the big talks that he gives to talk about africa but we don’t see south africa up in that country it was under national mandela and under the bombay key so uh the wrong south africa would play if they understand that they have a very important responsibility towards the countries of africa south africa will do what gervais said and i think it’s a beautiful idea uh because if south africa just want to be there by itself uh it is not going to be it is not going to be that good for the country of africa we need to have many more african countries in the brics and because uh this is how the bridge can be different from the international monetary fund which is controlled by the west or different from the world bank which is controlled by the west now in the condition in which we are today uh we have to understand that economic development it is a battle and then we cannot think that it it has to to rely solely in the hands of the african leaders and that is the mistake that we have made many times in africa listen uh you take uh gervais and you put him as the president of cameroon as good as he can be as great as he can be if the masters do not support his vision something can happen one it can be corrupted he’s human number two if they cannot corrupt him something can happen what they can go after him and they can kill him and then if they kill him the vision is going to be destroyed same thing that happened in bukin al faso why we are talking about the revolution in uh like in venezuela because the mercies in venezuela and praise division of uh eagle chavez why we are still talking about the revolution in cuba because somehow the leaders of the cuban revolution succeeded in engaging the masses of cuba in order to be there in longer for them to suppo
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