CBC News: The National | Deadly Kabul blast, Canada ends airlifts, Diversity in politics

CBC News: The National | Deadly Kabul blast, Canada ends airlifts, Diversity in politics

[♪♪♪] >> Andrew: GOOD EVENING. I’M ANDREW CHANG. >> Adrienne: AND I’M ADRIENNE ARSENAULT. MORE VIOLENCE FOR AFGHANISTAN. >> President Joe Biden: WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN, MAKE YOU PAY. >> Adrienne: THE BITTER SADNESS OF THOSE WHO SAY CANADA FAILED THEM. >> MY SOUL, I AM NOT THE SAME PERSON. >> Andrew: ALSO TONIGHT, AS THE FEDERAL CAMPAIGN HEATS UP, QUEBEC’S PREMIER FLEXES. >> THEY DON’T WANT TO BE IN A FIGHT WITH THE PUBLIC FROM THE AIR. >> Andrew: ROSEMARY AND “AT ISSUE” HAVE ALL THE POLITICS. >> Adrienne: THE PRESSURE MOUNTS IN ONTARIO FOR A VACCINE PASSPORT. >> Andrew: AND FOR ONE FAMILY, THE PANDEMIC BROUGHT A BIRTH AND DEATH. JOY AND LOSS IN A REUNION DELAYED. THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” [♪♪♪] >> Andrew: DEATH AND DESTRUCTION HIT HARD IN KABUL’S CROWDED STREETS AS IF THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN HAVEN’T ENDURED ENOUGH, BUT TODAY, PEOPLE ALREADY REELING, AN EXCLAMATION POINT OF CHAOS. TWO SUICIDE BOMBER, AND A NUMBER OF GUNMEN ATTACKED CROWDS OUTSIDE THE AIRPORTS. AT LEAST 60 AFGHANS ARE DEAD ALONG WITH 13 U.S. SERVICE MEMBERS. U.S. OFFICIALS SAY THEY BELIEVE AN ISIS AFFILIATED GROUP IS RESPONSIBLE. >> Adrienne: SO LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AREA OUTSIDE THE AIRPORT IN KABUL WHERE FOR DAYS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HOPING TO GET A FLIGHT OUT OF THE COUNTRY. ONE BLAST OCCURRED NEAR A GATE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO GO IF THEY WANT TO HOPE TO GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY. THE OTHER WAS NEAR THE BARON HOTEL. . >> Andrew: CAROLYN DUNN BEGINS WITH THE ATTACK AND THE U.S. PROMISE THAT THEY WILL PAY. >> Reporter: HUNDREDS DEAD AND INJURED IN AN ATTACK FEDERAL FORCES HAD WARNED WAS IMMINENT. THE SUICIDE BOMBERS, BELIEVED TO BE BLENDING IN WITH THE CROWDS OF THOSE TRYING TO GET INTO THE AIRPORT. AFTER THE TWO DEADLY EXPLOSIONS, A HAIL OF GUNFIRE FOR MAXIMUM DAMAGE. IT WAS A POWERFUL SUICIDE ATTACK, THIS WITNESS SAYS. MANY WERE KILLED, INCLUDING AMERICANS. ALONG WITH U.S. SOLDIERS WHO ARE DEAD, MORE THAN A DOZEN INJURED. >> President Joe Biden: WE WILL NOT FORGIVE, WE WILL NOT FORGET. WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND MAKE YOU PAY. >> Reporter: U.S. PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN VOWED THERE WILL BE A RESPONSE. THE PENTAGON REVEALED THERE ARE MORE CREDIBLE ATTACKS FROM ISIS, SO THE U.S. IS SHARING LIMITED INTELLIGENCE WITH THE TALIBAN. >> WE SHARE VERSIONS OF THIS INFORMATION WITH THE TALIBAN SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO SOME SEARCHING OUT THERE FOR US, AND WE BELIEVE THAT SOME ATTACKS HAVE BEEN THWARTED BY THEM. >> Reporter: FOR NOW, THE TALIBAN, A SWORN ENEMY OF ISIS, HAS SEVERAL GOALS. >> HOPEFULLY, WE WILL NOT HAVE SUCH ATTACKS ANYMORE. >> Reporter: PLAYING NICE WITH THE TALIBAN DOES HAVE ITS CONDITIONS. NATO ALLIES KEEP DEMANDING THEE GIVE SAFE PASSAGE TO — THEY GIVE SAFE PASSAGE TO ANYONE WISHING TO LEAVE, EVEN AFTER THE DEADLINE OF THE OFFICIAL EVACUATION ENDS. >> Andrew: IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN EXPECT A U.S. RESPONSE? >> Reporter: WELL, PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS IT WILL HAPPEN AT A PLACE WE CHOOSE AND AT A MOMENT OF OUR CHOOSING. HE’S GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES, THAT AS THE U.S. CONTINUES TO STICK STUBBORNLY TO ITS DEADLINE OF BEING OUT OF AFGHANISTAN BY NEXT TUESDAY. >> Andrew: CAROLYN DUNN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> Adrienne: FOR MORE, I SPOKE NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH MATTHEW AKINS, WHO WORKED IN AFGHANISTAN WHO NOW LIVES IN NOVA SCOTIA. I CAUGHT UP WITH HIM IN A SLIGHTLY UNSTABLE LINE IN A DEEPLY UNSTABLE PLACE. IT’S A DEEPLY TROUBLING SIGHT, AND I WONDER WHAT STRUCK YOU ABOUT IT WHEN YOU WERE THERE. >> IT WAS JUST SUCH A TERRIBLE PLACE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE PACKED IN LIKE SARDINES, TRYING TO GET TO SOLDIERS TO SHOW THEIR SOME SCRAP OF PAPER, THEIR DOCUMENTS OR PASSPORTS, IN THE HOPE OF BEING LET INTO THE AIRPORT SO THEY COULD GET OUT OF THERE. YOU IMAGINE THROWING A SUICIDE BOMBER IN THE MIX, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE A DEVASTATING NUMBER OF CASUALTIES, WHICH IS WHAT’S HAPPENED THERE TODAY. >> Adrienne: WHO ARE THERE TO HELP MEDICALLY IN THAT MOMENT? ARE THERE FOREIGN MILITARY ON THE GROUND THAT’S MAKING THEMSELVES KNOWN AT ALL? >> THERE’S NO FOREIGN MILITARY AT THE AIRPORT, BUT THERE IS AN N.G.O. CALLED EMERGENCY. THEY HAVE A TRAUMA HOSPITAL IN KABUL, AND THAT’S WHERE I WENT AFTER THE EXPLOSION. THEY WERE BRINGING IN JUST AMBULANCE AFTER AMBULANCE FULL OF CASUALTIES. SOME OF THEM LITTLE CHILDREN. THEY WERE COMING IN OVER THE EYES OF THE ANXIOUS CROWD, RELATIVES WEEPING ON THE SIDELINES. >> Reporter: HAVE YOU SEEN ANY CANADIANS OR ANYONE WITH CANADIAN DOCUMENTATION JUST IN THE STATUS OF YOUR REPORTING? >> NO. I HAVE FRIENDS WHO WORK FOR CANADIAN ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE BEEN PROMISED EVACUATION TO CANADA, AND THEY HAVEN’T MADE IT OUT BECAUSE THE EVACUATION WAS SUCH A SHAMBLES AND IT WAS SO LAST MINUTE. I WANT TO ADD, CANADA’S ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE PLACEMENT OF 20,000 AFGHANS IN A WAY THAT COULDN’T POSSIBLY BE FULFILLED, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY SPARKS FOR THIS MASS PANIC WHERE YOU HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AFGHANS DESCENDING ON THE AIRPORT. THE WAY THE COUNTRY’S JUST ANNOUNCED THESE KIND OF PROGRAMMES, THE LAST MINUTE, WITHOUT ANY REAL POSSIBILITY OR PLAN, TO ACTUALLY BRING THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I THINK IS PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KIND OF CHAOS, PANIC, AND ULTIMATELY DEATH AND SUFFERING THAT WE’VE BEEN SEEING AT THE AIRPORT. >> Adrienne: SO MATTHEW AKINS, AT THE AIRPORT IN KABUL, IS ONE SUBJECT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS. >> Andrew: OFFICIALS SAY IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, CANADIAN FORCES HAVE AIR LIFTED OUT SEVERAL THOUSAND PEOPLE, BUT AS WE HEAR FROM STEVEN D’SOUZA TONIGHT, OTHER PEOPLE SAY CANADA ABANDONED THEM. >> Reporter: WE’RE SEEING NOT JUST SOLDIERS, BUT AN ENTIRE COUNTRY TURNING ITS BACK ON THEM. >> I’M FEELING VERY EXHAUSTED. WE ARE IN A SITUATION. THE WORDS CANNOT DESCRIBE IT. >> Reporter: THE NEWS CAME IN AN E-MAIL. AT THIS TIME, THE EVACUATION PLAN IS BEING ABANDONED. NO MORE FLIGHTS WILL BE SCHEDULED. >> THEIR ACTIONS HAVE REALLY SPOKEN, AND THEY HAVE FAILED TO HELP US OUT, AND IT IS DISHEARTENING FOR US CANADIANS. >> I’M JUST KEEPING MYSELF AS CALM AS NORMAL, BUT IN MY SOUL, I’M NOT THE SAME PERSON. >> Reporter: ADDING TO HIS PAIN, THAT ATTACK WAS AT THE VERY SPOT AT THE AIRPORT THAT MANY WERE TOLD WAS THEIR PATH TO FREEDOM. >> I’M TELLING THE PRIME MINISTER, THE CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER, YOU DIDN’T DO 100%. YOU WERE BUSY WITH YOUR ELECTION OR YOU JUST IGNORED US. >> WE STAYED AS LONG AS WE COULD. >> Reporter: WITH THE U.S. PULLING OUT IN DAYS, THE CANADIAN FORCES HAD NO CHOICE. >> THAT WE COULD NOT IS TRULY HEARTBREAKING. >> Reporter: THOSE LOOK TO THE BORDER WITH PAKISTAN AS ONE OF THEIR FEW REMAINING OPTIONS, AND JUST HOW MANY ARE LEFT IN THIS PERILOUS LIMBO? THE GOVERNMENT AT THIS POINT CAN’T SAY FOR SURE. STEVEN D’SOUZA, CBC NEWS, TORONTO. >> Adrienne: KABUL MAY BE 10,000 KILOMETRES AWAY FROM OTTAWA, BUT AS DAVID COCHRANE SHOWS US, IT’S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAMPAIGN. >> Reporter: THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN AFGHANISTAN FORCING JUST TROON — JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO DEFEND A RECORD THAT’S CHANGING IN REAL-TIME. >> Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: CANADIANS HAVE BEEN WORKING INCREDIBLY HARD TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE OUT AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. >> Reporter: WORKING HARD BUT TOO SLOWLY SAYS THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER. >> Erin O’Toole: MR. TRUDEAU HAS WASTED MONTHS IN ACTION AND HAS NOW PUT US INTO AN ELECTION WHERE THE SITUATION HAS BEEN IN CHAOS. >> Reporter: AS PROOF, ERIN O’TOOLE RELEASED A LETTER THAT HE WROTE ON JULY 22, SAYING THAT THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT HAS REMAINED SILENT. BUT ON JULY 23, THE GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED A SPECIAL PROGRAMME FOR AFGHAN INTERPRETERS THAT HAD BEEN ON IN THE WORKS FOR WEEKS. THE LIBERALS INSISTED THEY WERE ON THIS EARLY, BUT IT WASN’T UNTIL LAST WEEK THAT THE FIRST CANADIAN RESCUE FLIGHT CARRIED PEOPLE OUT OF KABUL. CANADA’S EFFORT DID GET THOUSANDS OUT TO SAFETY, BUT THOUSANDS MORE WERE LEFT BEHIND. >> Jagmeet Singh: IT’S SAD TO SAY THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU KNEW ABOUT THIS, AND FAILED MASS CIVICALLY. >> Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THERE IS MUCH MORE TO DO, AND CANADA WILL CONTINUE TO BE THERE FOR AFGHANS AND THE AFGHAN PEOPLE. >> Reporter: WHO’S MISSING FOR ALL PARTY SHALL — WHAT’S MISSING IS WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. ALL PARTIES ARE REFUSING TO RECOGNIZE A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION LIKE THE TALIBAN AS A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT, WHICH LIMITS THE DIPLOMATIC OPTIONS. DAVID COCHRANE, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA. >> Andrew: NOW AFGHANISTAN IS JUST ONE ISSUE ON THE MINDS OF VOTERS. CBC NEWS HAS REPORTERS FOLLOWING THE CAMPAIGN. LET’S START WITH TOM PARRY IN WINNIPEG WITH THE N.D.P. >> Reporter: JAGMEET SINGH CAMPAIGNED IN WINNIPEG TODAY, SAYING HE WOULD DOUBLE THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS’ CREDIT, MAKING IT EASIER FOR FRIENDS AND ROOMMATES TO BUY A HOME JOINTLY. >> WE DON’T WANT A CANADIAN TO COMPETE WITH A MULTINATIONAL CORPORATION THAT LOOKS AT THE CAN HOUSING MARKET AS A WAY TO MAKE MONEY. >> Reporter: SINGH ALSO TOOK TIME TO MEET WITH INDIGENOUS LEADERS. INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE A POWERFUL FORCE IN MANITOBA, WHERE N.D.P. IS HOPING TO MAKE GAINS. >> Reporter: I’M WITH CONSERVATIVE LEADER ERIN O’TOOLE WHO SAYS IF ELECTED, HIS PARTY WILL BRING IN GIG INSURANCE. >> Erin O’Toole: THE GIG INSURANCE DIDN’T EXIST YEARS AGO, AND THAT’S WHY 1.7 MILLION CANADIANS WERE MISSED IN THE CRISIS. >> Reporter: GIG EMPLOYERS WOULD ALSO HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE. THE CANADIAN FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS IS CALLING THE PLAN WORRISOME, SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING FROM A UNION WISH LIST. >> Reporter: I’M RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN, WHERE JUSTIN TRUDEAU ANNOUNCED $500 INCREASE IN THE CANADIAN SENIOR INCOME PLAN, $250 FOR COUPLES. IT’S A RESPONSE AS THE BLOC BLOC HAVE BEEN SEEN AS RIVALS. FOR MONTHS, YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET HAS BEEN CRITICIZING THE LIBERALS, AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS TO MANAGE HIS TIME WISELY IN THE PROVINCE. >> Reporter: IN THIS HOTLY CONTESTED MONTREAL RIDING, VOTERS HAVE A LIST OF CONCERNS. >> AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY, BECAUSE NOW, AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, RENTS ARE HIGH. >> WE HAVE NO DOCTOR, YOU KNOW? IT’S IMPOSSIBLE. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO LIMIT A COUNTRY LIKE CANADA. >> Reporter: TODAY AS FEDERAL PARTIES JOSTLE FOR LEADING, FRANÇOIS LEGAULT MADE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT. >> WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE’S AN INTEGRATION, THAT PEOPLE COMING INTO QUEBEC LEARN FRENCH. IT’S A QUESTION OF SURVIVAL. >> I THINK LEGAULT HAS A LOT OF SWAY WITH PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR LEGAULT. >> Reporter: ALL THE PARTIES ARE PAYING ATTENTION. >> BECAUSE EVERYBODY’S VERY CONSCIOUS THAT HE’S QUITE POPULAR IN A LOT OF REGIONS OF QUEBEC, AND THEY DON’T WANT TO BE IN A FIGHT WITH A POPULAR PREMIER. >> Reporter: CONSERVATIVE LEADER ERIN O’TOOLE WAS QUICK TO ANSWER LEGAULT, SAYING HIS DEMANDS WERE REASONABLE. BLOC QUEBECOIS LEADER YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET SAID HE WOULD BRING HIS PARTY TO OTTAWA. LEGAULT IS URGING VOTERS TO LOOK AT HOW FEDERAL LEADERS RESPOND TO HIS DEMANDS WHEN THEY CAST THEIR BALLOTS. >> Andrew: AND PREMIER DOUG FORD HAS GIVEN NO INDICATION THAT HE’S READY TO ISSUE A VACCINE PASSPORT, BUT ONE OF HIS CONSTITUENCIES SAY THEY’RE READY. >> Reporter: THESE BROTHERS SAY A VACCINE PASSPORT WOULD LET THEIR PUB KEEP SERVING, EVEN AS CASES RISE. >> RESTAURANTS, BARS, GIMGS WILL BE THE FIRST TO BE SHUT BEFORE SCHOOLS, BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, AND WE’VE JUST BEEN BATTERED THE LAST 18 MONTHS. >> Reporter: BOTH QUEBEC AND BRITISH COLUMBIA ARE ROLLING OUT VACCINE PASSPORTS FOR NONESSENTIAL SERVICES, AND MANITOBA IS EXPECTED TO SOON ANNOUNCE ITS VERSION. SO FAR, PREMIER DOUG FORD HAS REFUSED TO JUMP ON THE BAND WAGON, BUT THE PRESSURE IS MOUNTING. ONTARIO’S REGIONAL OFFICERS OF HEALTH ARE DISCUSSING THE MEASURES IF THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WON’T STEP UP TO HELP. MUCH REMAINS UNCERTAIN, EVEN AS CASES AND HOSPITALIZATIONS RISE, AND FAMILIES GET READY FOR BACK TO SCHOOL. >> I THINK WE SHOULD START GETTING PEOPLE BACK ONTO THAT PROGRAMME, SIMILAR TO, LIKE, HOW WE HAVE SACK SEENATION CARDS FOR — VACCINATION CARDS FOR THE KIDS. >> Reporter: THIS WOMAN SAYS SHE’S TIRED OF THE VACCINATION BEING POLITICIZED. >> WE OWE IT TO THE FRONTLINE WORKERS AND TO THE RESTAURANT WORKERS THAT ARE PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE LOCKDOWN, YOU KNOW, THEY LOSE THEIR LIVELY. >> Reporter: — THEIR LIVELIHOOD. >> Reporter: THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THESE BROTHERS FEAR. JAELA BERNSTEIN, CBC NEWS, TORONTO. >> Andrew: WELL, A CBC ANALYSIS SHOWS JUST HOW MUCH HARDER IT IS FOR DIVERSE CANDIDATES TO RUN. >> THOSE ARE REALITIES. PEOPLE MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT ME BEING A MUSLIM. >> Andrew: COMING UP, THE EXTRA HURDLES FACING PEOPLE OF COLOUR ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. >>> PLUS — >> Adrienne: COULD THE CHAOS AND VIOLENCE AT KABUL’S AIRPORT HURT TRUDEAU’S CHANCES OF WINNING? ROSIE AND “AT ISSUE” ARE HERE. >> Andrew: AND IF YOU’VE NEVER HEARD OF LION FRIENDS, WE’VE GOT >> Adrienne: WELCOME BACK. FEDERAL PARTIES ARE RESPONDING TO A CBC NEWS ANALYSIS OF ELECTION CANDIDATES. WE FOUND THAT DESPITE EFFORTS TO INCREASE REPRESENTATION, MORE WOMEN, MORE PEOPLE OF COLOUR, MORE INDIGENOUS CANDIDATES, WHITE MALE CANDIDATES STILL HAVE DISTINCT ADVANTAGES. VALERIE OUELLETTE EXPLAINS. >> Reporter: DOOR KNOCKING, A RITE OF PASSAGE FOR EVERY NEW ELECTION CANDIDATE. >> I’M THE LIBERAL CANDIDATE IN THE NEXT ELECTION. >> Reporter: BUSINESSMAN TALIB NOOR MOHAMED IS RUNNING FOR ELECTION THE THIRD TIME, HOPING THIS TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT. >> YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND THE COLOUR OF YOUR SKIN, AND THOSE ARE REALITIES. PEOPLE MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT ME BEING A MUSLIM, SO YOU GET, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS ISLAMOPHOBIC COMMENTS. >> Reporter: CBC ANALYZED THOUSANDS OF COMMENTS FOR ELECTION CANDIDATES. MORE THAN 70% OF CANDIDATES WHO RAN IN PARTY STRONGHOLDS WERE WHITE MEN. INDIGENOUS WOMEN FACED THE TOUGHEST ODDS. ONLY ONE OUT OF EVERY EIGHT WERE ELECTED, COMPARED TO ONE OUT OF EVERY THREE WHITE MEN WHO WON THEIR SEAT. LAURIE CAMPBELL RAN FOR THE N.D.P. IN WATERLOO IN 2019. >> THIS ELECTION, I’M IN IT FOR YOU. >> Reporter: THE INDIGENOUS TWO SPIRIT ACADEMIC RAN TO REPRESENT HER COMMUNITIES BUT SAYS SHE QUICKLY FELT LET DOWN BY HER PARTY. >> IT KIND OF FELT FROM FEDERAL LEADERSHIP THAT THEY YEAH, JUST HAD DECIDED HOW IT WAS GOING TO GO AND DIDN’T PUT IN THE EXTRA EFFORT FOR ME. >> Reporter: OUR ANALYSIS FOUND THAT HAVING DIVERSE CANDIDATES DIDN’T ALWAYS TRANSLATE TO SEATS. TAKE THE N.D.P., THE PARTY WITH THE MOST DIVERSE NOMINATIONS, AS 25%. STILL, MOST CANDIDATES WHO WON WERE WHITE. THE LIBERALS HAD FEWER CANDIDATES WHO IDENTIFIED AS RACIALIZED AND INDIGENOUS, BUT MORE OF THEM BECAME M.P.s. MEANWHILE, ALMOST ALL CANDIDATES WHO RAN WERE WHITE MALES. >> I THINK FOR OTHER PARTIES TO CLEANUP THEIR HOUSES, TO REALLY TRULY STAND BEHIND AND INVEST IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY’RE SAYING THAT THEY ARE AROUND DIVERSITY. >> Reporter: FOR TALIB NOOR MOHAMED THAT CHANGE COMES ONE DOOR AND ONE VOTER AT A TIME. >> I THINK WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT COMMUNITIES, I’M A TECH ENTREPRENEUR, SO THERE’S THAT COMMUNITY. THERE’S A WHOLE VOLUNTEER SECTOR TO WHICH I AM A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF BEING A PART OF A COMMUNITY ARE A BIG PART OF WHO WE FRAME WHO WE ARE AND HOW WE SHOULD FRAME WHO WE ARE. >> Adrienne: SO VALERIE, HOW DID THE PARTIES RESPOND TO THE ANALYSIS OF YOU AND YOUR TEAM? >> Reporter: WELL, THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE N.D.P. DID NOT — AND THE BLOC QUEBECOIS DID NOT RESPOND, BUT — THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE BLOC QUEBECOIS DID NOT RESPOND. >> Andrew: AND RYERSON UNIVERSITY IS GETTING A NEW NAME. ADMINISTRATION IS EXPECTED TO RELEASE THE NAME NEXT YEAR. >> Adrienne: LAST WEEK, WE REPORTED A STORY ABOUT A COVID T OUTBREAK, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT THAT CRESTWOOD PREPARETORY DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE TOURNAMENT. WE REGRET THE ERROR. >> Justin Trudeau: WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DAY AND NIGHT OVER THE PAST MONTHS, PAST WEEKS AND MONTHS, TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE OUT AS POSSIBLE. >> Rosemary: COULD THIS INFLUENCE HOW [♪♪♪] . >> Rosemary: AS THE SITUATION WORSENS ON THE GROUND IN AFGHANISTAN, IT FORCES THE LIBERAL LEADER TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS PRIME MINISTER. >> Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DAY AND NIGHT OVER THE PAST MONTHS, PAST WEEKS AND MONTHS, TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE OUT AS POSSIBLE. >> Rosemary: WHILE THE LEADERS VIEG FOR HIS JOB ARE EXPLAINING WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY. >> Erin O’Toole: LIKE MOST ISSUES, MR. TRUDEAU IS LATE, NO LEADERSHIP. >> Rosemary: SO WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE PRIME MINISTER’S CAMPAIGNING? OUR PANEL JOINS US NOW: CHANTAL, ALTHIA, ANDREW, AND EL-AMIN. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, IF ANYTHING, FOR THE LIBERALS, CHANTAL, DO YOU THINK, AND HOW DOES THIS PLAY OUT THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN OR DOES IT? >> I CAN’T SPEAK ABOUT THE REST OF THE CAMPAIGN, ALMOST A MONTH, BUT IT DOES HURT THE LIBERALS ON TWO SCORES. I THINK IT MAKES THE ISSUE OF WHY ARE WE HAVING AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN WHEN ALL THIS IS GOING ON MORE OF AN ISSUE THAN THE LIBERALS SHOULD WANT, BUT IT ALSO — AND I GO BACK TO THE DAY WHEN THE ELECTION WAS CALLED AND THE DANGEROUS THAT THERE WOULD BE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE IMAGES THAT WE WOULD SEE OUT OF AFGHANISTAN AND THE PRIME MINISTER GOING ON HIS MERRY WAY CAMPAIGNING, PROMISING THINGS THAT HAD LITTLE TO DO WITH AFGHANISTAN. THAT’S HAPPENING NOW, THAT GAP BETWEEN THE CAMPAIGNER AND THE REALITY OF OFFICE THAT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE IT’S BEING FILLED. >> Rosemary: ALTHIA, WHAT DO YOU THINK, AND ALSO, THE FACT THAT WE’VE HAD TO LEAVE SO MANY PEOPLE BEHIND AND HOW THIS ALL UNFOLDED AND THE SITUATION WITH THE GOVERNMENT? >> YEAH. I THINK CHANTAL’S POINT, IT’S BASICALLY PREVENTED THE LIBERAL CAMPAIGN FROM TAKING OFF, BECAUSE IT’S FORCED QUESTIONS ABOUT AFGHANISTAN AND NOT ABOUT THE LIBERAL’S ADVANCEMENT OF THE DAY. I THINK IF WE START SAYING IMAGES THAT DIRECTLY CONNECT THE GOVERNMENT’S ACTIONS TO THE CRISIS, PEOPLE START GETTING MURDERED, PEOPLE WITH CANADIAN PAPERS ARE FOUND DEAD ON THE STREET, THAT IS REALLY GOING TO BRING THAT HOME AND THAT COULD BE THE MOMENT OF THE 2021 ELECTION CAMPAIGN, AND WORSE, ACTUALLY. BUT I THINK ON THIS ISSUE, ALL OF THAT I WOULD HAVE LED AND I WOULD HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE FACTS, NOBODY WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT DO ANYTHING, AND THE LIBERALS COULD HAVE BROUGHT IN MORE AFGHAN INTERPRETERS EARLIER, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, THE LAST TIME ANYBODY ASKED ABOUT THIS WAS IN 2011, AND IT WAS LIBERAL M.P. DOMINIC WILL HE — DOMINIC LeBLANC, WHO RAISED THE ISSUE TO THE THEN-DEFENCE MINISTER JASON KENNEY. >> Rosemary: ANDREW, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS? >> WELL, EVERYONE KNEW THIS WAS COMING. HAS KNOWN IT FOR MONTHS, HAS KNOWN IT FOR YEARS. >> BUT THAT’S NOT TRUE. >> I’M SORRY. IT IS. I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FILE VERY CLOSELY, AND THEY ARE QUITE CLEAR IN SAYING THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY FORESEEABLE. IT WAS — PEOPLE NEW — KNEW, SO IT’S NOT JUST A MATTER OF POLITICS, IT’S THAT WE’VE LEFT BEHIND THOUSANDS OF AFGHANI CITIZENS WHO ARE FACING AN UNCERTAIN FATE NOW, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CONSERVATIVES WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER, THAT CAN BE DEBATED, BUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS HOLDING THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT’S HAPPENED THE LAST FEW YEARS. >> Rosemary: OKAY. EL-AMIN, WHAT ABOUT YOU? — I’LL ALSO JUST ADD THAT MULTIPLE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THIS ONE, THE CBC, ALSO WERE WORKING TO GET PEOPLE OUT, PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPORTING OUR JOURNALISTS DURING THE CONFLICT, AND AGAIN, VARYING DEGREES OF SUCCESS THERE. EL-AMIN, SORRY? >> THE POINT THAT ANDREW IS MAKING, THAT IT’S BEEN KNOWN FOR YEARS, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT CERTAINLY FOR MONTHS, CERTAINLY, SINCE APRIL OR MAY, WHEN BIDEN ANNOUNCED THAT THE U.S. WAS GOING TO PULL OUT. YOU WOULD HAVE EXPECTED CANADA TO MOBILIZE ON THIS FASTER, AND THEY DID NOT, AND THAT’S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT HANGS AROUND TRUDEAU’S NECK THIS ENTIRE TIME. HE’S BEING FORCED TO ANSWER ABOUT AFGHANISTAN, WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THIS ENTIRE TIME. BUT TWO OR THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT A NEW VARIANT AND NOT REMEMBERING ABOUT AFGHANISTAN. BUT IT’S A STORY THAT KEEPS COMING AROUND EVERY DAY. >> Rosemary: OKAY. I DO WANT TO DO A ROUND ON HEALTH CARE JUST BECAUSE IT IS A DOMINANT THEME THIS WEEK, AND THEN, QUEBEC PREMIER FRANÇOIS LEGAULT TALKED ABOUT HIS — PLEASE STAY OUT OF MY BUSINESS IS BASICALLY WHAT HE SAID. I’LL SUPPORT BUSINESSES THAT DO THAT. CHANTAL, HOW DO YOU READ WHAT THE PREMIER SAID AND HOW MUCH HEALTH CARE IS OR WILL BECOME AN ISSUE ON THIS? >> WHETHER IT’S AN ISSUE WITH VOTERS REMAINS TO BE SEEN. FOR SURE, PREMIERS ARE GOING TO SAY BECAUSE THAT’S BEEN THEIR POSITION FOR 1.5 YEARS BECAUSE THEY WANT A CHANGE IN THE TRANSFER AND NOT NECESSARILY CONDITIONS OR STRINGED A — STRINGS ATTACHED. I THINK LIBERALS ARE IN PANIC MODE. I’VE COVERED LIBERAL CAMPAIGNS TOO LONG. THE LIBERALS ARE NEVER MORE INTERESTED IN THE INTEGRITY OF THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE MEDICARE SOME MORE THAN WHEN THEY’RE CAMPAIGNING FOR ELECTION, AND THE REST OF THE TIME, YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT IT. >> Rosemary:. ANDREW? >> YEAH. IT IS A BIT CORNY. I THINK AS CHANTAL SAYS, WE’VE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE. WE’VE ALSO SEEN THE PREMIER’S CRYING POOR ABOUT HEALTH CARE FOR MANY YEARS, BUT THAT SHOULD BE ABSECURE, THE SCORY OF THE BOY WHO CRIES WOLF ACTUALLY ENDS UP WITH THE WOLF DEVOURING THE BOY. THE DISCUSSION THAT HAS TO BEGIN IS NOT JUST THIS ANNUAL THING OF GIVING THE PROVINCES MONEY, NO STRINGS ATTACHED, BUT THEREFORE MEANS NO ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT GIVING THEM THE TAXING POWERS TO RAISE THE MONEY THEMSELVES AND BEING BELIEVABILITY TO THE CITIZENS FOR THE RESULTS. WE’VE GOT TO GET OUT OF THIS WAY FOR THE BLAME GAME AND IN THE END, NEITHER PARTY GETS HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR THE RESULTS. >> Rosemary: OKAY. I’LL END WITH EL-AMIN. >> THERE’S SOMETHING TO LEGAULT’S APPROACH, THAT YEAH, THERE’S SOMETHING THAT I’M ASKING FOR. THE IDEA THAT LEGAULT FEELING EMBOLDENED ENOUGH TO DICTATE HIS TERMS. HERE IT IS. >> Rosemary: OKAY. I’M GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE. I WANT TO SAY THAT ANDREW’S DOG WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE. IT WAS LOVELY. WE’LL START WITH ALTHIA ON THIS QUESTION. >> WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THE HE [♪♪♪] >> Jagmeet Singh: IN A NEW DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT, AS PRIME MINISTER, WHETHER AS A MAJORITY OR MINORITY, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF CANADIANS. >> Rosemary: THE N.D.P. LEADER LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN TO WORK WITH ALL PARTYING, INCLUDING CONSERVATIVES, WHEN ASK IF HIS PARTY WOULD — ASKED IF HIS PARTY WOULD PROP UP A MINORITY GOVERNMENT. IN 2018, HE SAID HE WOULD NOT DO THAT. I’LL START WITH ALTHIA. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT ANSWER AND WHAT SHOULD WE MAKE ABOUT IT? >> I THINK THAT JAGMEET SINGH THINKS THAT ERIN O’TOOLE IS MORE PALATABLE THAN ANDREW SHEER, AND SIDING WITH THE CONSERVATIVES MEANS THERE ARE NO DEMANDS THEY CAN PLACE ON THE LIBERALS, SO IT IS STRATEGICALLY WISER FOR THEM TO HOLD OUT THAT CARD SO THEY CAN EXTRACTION ANY CONCESSIONS FROM THE GRIDS. >> Rosemary: CHANTAL? >> YOU CAN THINK THAT THEY’VE MADE ERIN O’TOOLE LESS SCARY OR ELSE THEY HAVE MADE A LOT OF SWING N.D.P. LIBERAL VOTERS REALIZE THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE CONSERVATIVES WILL WIN THE ELECTION, AND A LOT OF VOTERS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM HAVE BEEN OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEIR CHOICE ON SEPTEMBER 20 WAS A MINORITY OR A MAJORITY LIBERAL GOVERNMENT. NOW, THEY ARE BEING TOLD IN RATHER STARK TERMS THAT THEIR CHOICE MAY BE BETWEEN A CONSERVATIVE AND A LIBERAL GOVERNMENT. I CAN’T TELL YOU WHERE THE VOTE GOES FROM THERE, BUT IT IS A RISKY MOVE. >> Rosemary: EL-AMIN, YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON LAST WEEK THAT YOU THOUGHT THE LIBERALS WERE OFF TO A SLOW START. >> CERTAINLY, JAGMEET SINGH, HE WANTS TO PLAY BALL THIS ELECTION. AESHE NOT THE GUY WILLING TO PROP UP LIBERALS AT ANY COST. THEY SEEM TO HAVE THE INVERSE PROBLEM, BUT I ASSUME THE LIBERALS WILL PUT THIS ON THE SHELF, COME BACK TO IT AFTER LABOR DAY AND SAY LOOK, THE N.D.P. ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CONSERVATIVES, SO WE ARE YOUR ONLY CHOICE. THERE’S A LOT OF HAND WRINGING AMONG CONSERVATIVES, SAYING NO, DON’T FRAME THE CHOICE LIKE THIS, BUT IN THE END, THEY END UP GOING BACK TO THE LIBERAL CAMP. >> Rosemary: IS THERE A WORLD WHERE THE N.D.P. COULD EXTRACT THINGS FROM A LIBERAL MINORITY GOVERNMENT? ANDREW? >> OF COURSE THEY COULD. OF COURSE THEY COULD. IF THIS WAS THE PRICE STAYING IN POWER, THE TORIES WOULD DO IT. THE N.D.P., I THINK, AS JOB ONE, NEEDS TO PREVENT THE LIBERALS FROM DOING THE PLAY THAT THEY DO EVERY ELECTION, WHICH IS DEMONIZING THE TORIES AND SAYING, YOU HAVE TO VOTE LIBERAL TO STOP THE TORIES BECAUSE THE FLOODS WILL RISE AND WINGED MONKEYS WILL FLY OVER THE EARTH IF THEY GET IN. >> Rosemary: I SEE THAT CHANTAL HAS THINGS TO SAY. >> THE LIBERALS HAVE SAID FOR YEARS THAT $10 A DAY CHILD CARE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TAX CREDITS ON THE BALLOT, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE N.D.P. CAN HAVE THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE SAME TRACK AS THE LIBERALS ON THE ISSUE. >> Rosemary: EL-AMIN? >> THIS WOULD DWSH-THIS WAS JUST NOT ON THE TABLE TWO YEARS AGO, SO I HAVE TO IMAGINE THEY’RE FEELING PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT ONE. >> Rosemary: OKAY. TOBY THE DOG WANTS US TO FINISH, SO THAT’S WHERE WE’LL LEAVE IT. >> Andrew: OKAY. AND ROSIE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING ON FOR THIS WEEKEND’S “ROSEMARY BARTON LIVE”? >> Rosemary: WE ARE LOOKING AT THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LEFT BACK THAT DIDN’T MANAGE TO GET OUT AND THE EFFORTS TO GET THEM OUT, AND WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE BECAUSE THAT HAS BECOME ONE OF THE DOMINANT ISSUES IN THIS CAMPAIGN, AND WE’LL TALK TO THE PANEL ABOUT WHO THEY THINK HAS THE BEST PLANS GOING FORWARD. >> Adrienne: AS TRAVEL OPENS UP, MANY ARE ABLE TO REUNITE WITH THEIR LOVED ONES, BUT SOMETIMES THOSE JOURNEYS ARE BITTER SWEET. >> TWO MONTHS AFTER OUR SON CAME INTO THE WORLD, MY FATHER PASSED AWAY. >> AND THAT IS THE RACE. A PHENOMENAL PERFORMANCE. >> Andrew: CANADA’S TRISTAN CHERNOFF WON SILVER IN THE MEN’S PURSUANT, AND IT WASN’T THE ONLY MEDAL TODAY FOR CANADA IN THE GAMES. >> UPGRADE A BRONZE PREVIOUSLY TO A VERY FINE SILVER FOR CANADA. >> Andrew: WELL, TONIGHT, WE ARE CONTINUING A SERIES HERE ON “THE NATIONAL” ABOUT PANDEMIC REUNIONS, SOMETHING THE ROCKWELLS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AT THE END OF COVID, THEY CELEBRATE A BIRTH AND GRIEF ONE WHO DIDN’T GET THE CHANCE. >> WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GIVING SOMEONE A PROPER HUG AGAIN. I DON’T THINK I’VE SO MUCH AS SHAKEN ANOTHER PERSON’S HAND FOR 16 MONTHS NOW. >> ON THE WAY TO GRANDMA’S HOUSE. [SPEAKING FRENCH LANGUAGE] >> I SUSPECT THAT THIS’LL BE KIND OF AN EMOTIONAL VISIT, AND I EXPECT IT TO BE VERY APPARENT THAT WE’RE LANDING IN NOVA SCOTIA FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE THAT MY FATHER HASN’T BEEN THERE. I’M ANDREW ROCKWELL. I’M ORIGINALLY FROM DARTMOUTH, NOVA SCOTIA, BUT I LIVE IN CALGARY. >> AND I’M KIMBERLY ROCKWELL. I’M ORIGINALLY FROM ONTARIO. FOR US, THIS PANDEMIC HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY CHALLENGING. OUR SON, JASPER, WAS BORN RIGHT AT THE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST PEAK. >> WE’RE USED TO LIVING IN CALGARY ON OUR OWN, BUT WE’RE ALSO USED TO TRAVELLING BACK AND FORTH TO THE EAST COAST OR HAVING PEOPLE COME TO VISIT US EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE CERTAINLY NEVER THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD GO, YOU KNOW, 16 MONTHS WITH A NEWBORN BABY WITHOUT HAVING FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO HELP US OUT. [SINGING “HAPPY BIRTHDAY”] >> THEY KIND OF SAY IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD, AND THEN DURING A PANDEMIC, YOUR VILLAGE IS VIRTUAL. >> IT’S BEEN DIFFICULT SEEING OUR CHILDREN GROW UP AND CHANGE KNOWING THAT OUR PARENTS’ WINDOW TO THAT IS A COMPUTER SCREEN, AND REALIZING THAT OUR LITTLE BOY, JASPER, ONLY EVER GOT TO MEET HIS POPPA THROUGH VIDEO CALLS, NEVER — NEVER GOT TO — TO BE HELD BY HIM. TWO MONTHS AFTER OUR SON CAME INTO THE WORLD, MY FATHER PASSED AWAY IN NOVA SCOTIA OF A HEART ATTACK UNEXPECTEDLY. THE INITIAL REACTION IS I NEED TO HOP ON A PLANE AND FLY BACK TO BE THERE. IT DIDN’T TAKE LONG TO REALIZE THAT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION WAS THAT WE WERE STILL LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS DISEASE. IT WAS STILL CLEAR THAT TRAVEL WASN’T RECOMMENDED. WE KNEW THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A FUNERAL SERVICE. >> AND YOU WOULD HAVE EITHER NEEDED TO ISOLATE FOR 14 DAYS AALONE OR WE WOULD — ALONE OR WE WOULD HAVE ALL HAD TO HAVE FLOWN THERE AS A FAMILY AND ISOLATED. >> IT JUST WASN’T A PRACTICAL SOLUTION. IT’S BEEN OVER A YEAR, AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN’T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE THE EMOTIONS THAT COME WITH LOSING SOMEBODY. IT’S JUST BEEN SUCH AN ODD EXPERIENCE GOING THROUGH THAT WITHOUT THE PEOPLE I EXPECTED TO GO THROUGH THAT EMOTIONAL JOURNEY WITH. I’M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO FINALLY BEING ABLE TO FORMALLY LAY MY DAD TO REST, TELLING STORIES ABOUT HIS LIFE, ABOUT ALL THE TIMES THAT HE MADE US LAUGH OR THAT HE DID WONDERFUL THINGS FOR US, AND JUST SEEING MY MOM PLAYING WITH OUR KIDS AND HEARING THEM INTERACT. I’M ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO HAVE OUR PARENTS LOOK AFTER OUR KIDS FOR A NIGHT. WE HAVEN’T HAD TIME TO OURSELVES. WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO GO ON A DATE IN 16 MONTHS. DINNER TOGETHER, MAYBE HAVING A GLASS OF WINE, GOING OUT FOR ICE CREAM, SIMPLE THINGS THAT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC WE MIGHT HAVE TAKEN FOR GRANTED. >> Adrienne: A LOT OF LOVE IN THAT FAMILY. >>> UP NEXT, AS K-POP MUSIC GETS MORE POPULAR, FANS GET MORE INVESTED. ONE SUPER FAN STORY. HOW SHE STOOD IN >> Adrienne: SO THERE IS A CHANCE PEOPLE NEAR TORONTO SAW THIS MASSIVE LINE AT A MALL AND WONDERED WHAT IS THAT? IT TURNS OUT THOSE WERE HUNDREDS OF SUPER FANS OF THE KOREAN POP BAND B.T.S. THEY HAD SOME SHOPPING TO DO. SO ONE POP-UP STORE, A COLLABORATION BETWEEN A KOREAN COMPANY CALLED LION FRIEND AND B.T.S., AND THE FANS COULD NOT BELIEVE THEIR LUCK, AND A SUPER FAN TELLS US WHY. SHE’S OUR “MOMENT.” >> LION FRIENDS AND B.T.S. IS A K-POP BAND MADE A COLLABORATION TOGETHER, AND THEY MADE THIS LINE OF CHARACTERS AND TOYS. THIS MORNING WAS THEIR OPENING LAUNCH, SO MY FRIENDS AND I DECIDED TO GO DOWN AT MIDNIGHT LAST NIGHT. WE JUST KIND OF, LIKE, SAT IN THE PARKING LOT UNTIL THIS MORNING WHEN THEY, LIKE, OPENED THE DOORS, AND THE SHOP IS, LIKE, SO ADORABLE. IT REALLY IS. YOU CAN SEE THAT EVERY TIME THEY HAVE THESE POP OUTS. THEY SELL OUT CRAZY. WHEN I WAS LEAVING, I’M, LIKE, OH, MY GOD, FANS WERE WRAPPINGED AROUND THE BUILDING, BUT HONESTLY, IT IS NOT LIKE THE FIRST TIME I’VE DONE THIS, SO I’M NOT SURPRISED. >> Andrew: WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE LION FRIEND CHARACTER. >> Adrienne: HONESTLY, THERE’S SO MANY. >> Andrew: I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT FOR CHRISTMAS. I’LL ADMIT, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO WAIT? WHY CAN’T YOU BUY THEM ON-LINE? >> Adrienne: I’LL TELL YOU, IF THE BAY CITY ROLLERS HAD A POP-UP, I WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. >>> THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR AUGUST 26. GOOD NIGHT. >> Andrew: GOOD NIGHT. [♪♪♪]
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