DEBATE: Has BLM Done More Good Or Harm? | Brent Lengel vs James (The Hake Report) | Podcast

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those are the words of john ehrlichman president nixon's top aide on domestic affairs you may be wondering why i'm quoting him being that the nixon administration ended 46 years ago however as we're learning the cruel capricious and downright malicious actions of our government have serious repercussions on our society and endure long after the evil men who first carried them out are long gone according to the drug policy alliance the united states today spends an estimated 51 billion annually on the same war on drugs things got worse under president ronald reagan who massively expanded nixon's war on black people and shifted the focus to criminal punishment over treatment this led to a massive increase in incarcerations fueled by the crack epidemic that arose in the early 1980s congress quickly established a series of mandatory minimum prison sentences for various drug offenses a notable feature of which was the massive gap between the amounts of crack cocaine associated with which was associated with blacks and powder cocaine which was associated with whites possession of five grams of crack led to an automatic five-year sentence well it took possession of 500 grams of powder cocaine to trigger the same sentence it is important to note that there is little to no effective difference between crack and powder cocaine they are the same drug and do the same thing the point is these policies led directly to the rise of for-profit prison systems which reagan as a true believer in neoliberal capitalism and the privatization of government services was all too happy to fill at a guaranteed 90 occupancy rate things only got worse when a democrat got into power under the clinton crime bill authored by current president joe biden incarceration rate soared cheered on by the likes of hillary clinton who famously referred to young black men as psychotic super predators today similar occupancy guarantees continue in virtually every state in the union as a number of prisoners exploded the black community in the united states soon found that nearly one-third of their entire male population would spend some of their life in these new for-profit beds which the government thanks to reagan's guarantee had every incentive to fill regardless of whether or not there were enough criminals to fill them when combined with the fact that whites are as likely if not more likely to commit drug crimes in people of color the issue becomes very clear and i can only echo the words of michelle alexander author of the new jim crow mass incarceration in an era of colorblindness when i say the primary targets of the penal system's control can be defined largely by race and i might add not just any race but one specific race bringing about a state of affairs which she describes as quote a racial caste system strikingly similar to the jim crow south americans despite making up 4.4 percent of the world's population have roughly 22 percent of the world's prisoners that's more than were held in stalin's gulags and for all of our talk about china's creeping authoritarianism and lack of respect for human rights we imprison our own people at nearly six times the rate of the people's republic of china and despite blacks making up only 13 of our population they make up the largest chunk 34 percent of our male prison population where they are of course put to work earning literal pennies a day staffing call centers and manufacturing thousands of consumer products from stereo equipment to military flak jackets you see made in america on a product odds are that product was made by a prisoner and there's a good chance that prisoner was black now you may say but brent they deserved it they broke the law blacks commit the most crime and if you're particularly ignorant of the scientific consensus on this issue you might even say that when blacks are killed by law enforcement they are killed in proper proportion to the violent crime that they commit but this is simply not the case to quote nature journal the most cited and respected scientific journal in the western world quote black people fatally shot by police were twice as likely as white people to be unarmed those findings align with many studies published since 2015 suggesting that racial biases do influence police shootings and in a study conducted by economists at texas a m evaluating 200 million 9-1-1 calls white officers dispatched to black neighborhoods fired their guns five times as often as black officers dispatched for similar calls to these same neighborhoods now you could say that this is not a race issue this is a class issue because of course when you control for poverty poor whites and poor blacks commit violent crime at roughly the same rate which is of course true and there is a 350 percent increase in the likelihood of police killings in areas that suffer from high poverty according to the bureau of justice and statistics poor urban blacks have rates of violence similar to poor urban whites and there is no significant change in the crime rate rate when you move from rural to urban which of course makes sense poor people live in a pressure cooker and when you put people in a pressure cooker they're going to act out you can be mad about that but people who do not feel represented by the system that governs them feel no need to follow the laws or customs of that system and that is why we are currently dealing with a very small three percent overall as of 2020 rise in violent crime and while murders in particular rose a troubling 25 in 2020 this increase in murder rate is still roughly half of what it was in the early 90s this spike has nothing to do with defunding the police or blm or anything it has everything to do with the greater economic stress on these communities brought on by the coveted pandemic and so we come to black lives matter and to understand that movement what it stands for and what it is attempting to accomplish and how it has succeeded we must understand that here in america due to the historical circumstances surrounding the founding of this nation wealth and social class are divided with very little exception along racial lines which is to say who is in that pressure cooker and who is not is largely determined by race first it was slavery and after slavery it was jim crow and after jim crow it was reagan's mass incarceration and biden's crime bill all of which led to over-policing of black neighborhoods and an overwhelming epidemic of police killing black men which leads to moments like eric garner's death by strangulation which along with other several prominent killings prompted the very first black lives matter march in nyc which i attended this is a disturbing reality but you cannot turn away from it you heard john ehrlichman on the position of the nixon administration you understand what has been going on within our prison system and the sickness that has infected our justice department and the police from the very beginning so has black lives matter done more good than harm well that is a question that can only be answered by consulting your values are you someone who's okay with living a lie do you value order and hierarchy to such a degree that you're perfectly willing to allow yourself to be ruled by evil men like richard nixon and ronald reagan and bill clinton and joe biden do you value your own peace of mind to such an extent that rather than admit you have a serious problem in your hands and work to solve it you instead deny it and bury your head in the sand do you choose comfort or do you choose truth i know what i know not what course others will take but for me i believe in an end to bigotry exploitation and the crimes caused by them i believe in the value of human life and dignity over all laws which man has made or ever will make i believe there is no peace now and there never will be peace so long as people are discriminated against oppressed and treated contemptuously by those who falsely imagine themselves to be their superiors because as dr martin luther king so aptly observed injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere and to know justice is to know peace and that is why i will forever be grateful to black lives matter for bringing these issues into the mainstream the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem and if you were the sort of person who values america and those and and or those living within her borders this is your chance to act now to save our civilization because if we do not act america our civilization everything that we have built will crumble no one can escape their past least of all the united states the only alternative is to bravely face it and and own up to these problems and move for a stronger more unified future for all of our citizens thank you thank you very much bretton for that opening statement and want to let you know folks if it's your first time here at modern day debate we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science religion and politics and we hope you feel welcome no matter what walk of life you are from no matter how far politically left or politically right we are glad you are here with that we'll kick it over to james for his opening statement thanks so much for being here james of the hake report the floor is all yours i love how you say that thank you man well nixon and reagan evil that's news to me um crack versus powder cocaine it's not the drugs it is the behavior of the people who were selling the drugs the as you pointed out as brenton pointed out it was the black violent crime that was associated with the crack epidemic as he pointed out the early 90s late 80s murders were through the roof and that's why hillary was right on that note they were super predators super predators no conscience no empathy they acted like animals and michelle alexander ad homonyms in my opinion are valid she is a total phony michelle alexander and i don't buy that whites are just as likely to commit the drug crimes i just don't buy that stat and chinese people do not commit crimes the way that black americans do so a lot of this i don't buy scientific consensus science is not a consensus it's about right and wrong it's about truth versus lies like he's like brenton said blacks may react poorly more poorly to white cops when they come into black communities because blacks are brainwashed and blind and trained to hate cops and to hate whites and to just they have this constant excuse of racism racism racism that's one thing that brenton didn't mention with um you know this cards being stacked against blacks they have this brainwashing of racism that sets them up to shoot themselves in the foot and sometimes get themselves killed and i think that's what's happening a lot i don't think it was the coveted pandemic that brought the uh crime to rise i do think it was the in part maybe the communist shutdowns in response to the in overreaction to the pen the pla the scam endemic and uh but blm let's be honest it consistently has resulted any time it's gotten played it's consistently resulted in what um heather mcdonald calls the ferguson effect the ferguson effect because politicians the mainstream media and including democrats and rhinos both cater to the blacks and and pretend that they're victims and be like oh yes let's look at the cops i suppose we need to look at the cops because society is becoming more and more corrupt and that affects the cops too but we have to we have to look at the blacks they're out of control and they increase the black lives matter specifically increases ill will i don't think over policing is the problem in the black community there are black single mothers who are begging for more policing in their communities they're begging and because it's high crime high crime and it's black crime black on black crime black on other races crime people unjustly marginalized maybe that happened with the blacks i don't know i would imagine so we do have an evil establishment in the government in them i don't doubt that it was there in existence way back way back when decades ago but people unjustly marginalized i wonder whether brent and langel langle would speak out against the whites who are now being marginalized in this in much the same way deep platformed prevented from having their bank accounts and conducting businesses prevented from having websites on on so-called american servers it isn't there is a major attack on whites in this and it's a divide and conquer thing too it's not black versus white it's good versus evil the phrase black lives matter itself does harm because it it spreads ill will it is the last thing anyone needs is to feel sorry for blacks or for black quote-unquote victims to encourage blacks to be into their blackness more everybody knows that the the race in america that is the most attached to their so-called racial identity above what's right above truth is the black community they're they're into the blackness they voted for barack obama at 96 percent like twice and even after they're supposedly christian and yet he supported same-sex marriage and they weren't on board with that but they supported that and so sympathy and empathy and special treatment and attention is a big part of what's gone wrong for black americans we need to think more like men and less like women i think that's the difference between communism and what's best about what was great about america and what still could be great neither the organization nor the idea of black lives matter has any place in america trayvon martin and mike brown's self-defense killings resulted in exoneration for george zimmerman and no charges for former officer darren wilson who was unfairly smeared at this the three ladies quote-unquote ladies pouting on facebook opal tometi alicia garza and patrice culler is the founders so-called of black lives matter uh patrice cullers by the way hung up on the jesse lee peterson show when i was producer back in december of 2014 and she lied about it to me she said i didn't hang up and then later she tweeted out that she hung up i believe pete it was patrice who rage posted black lives matter which is a nasty backhanded forgive me but [ __ ] attack on whites on america it's a false accusation that oh you guys don't value innocent lives or lives that are unjustly taken that's that that's a backhanded accusation i know it means black lives matter too but they're the ones who don't value their own lives in fact patrice alicia opal to many i believe that they're part members of the so-called lgbtq committee uh community and they are obese they're not valuing their own lives those aren't good for those aren't those things aren't good for you and they're not supporting the best thing for the black community is married fathers and mothers and raising their children in the right way they as if the rest of america doesn't know that innocent lives shouldn't be taken if anybody needs to be told to value the light other lives and love all the others it's the black criminals themselves and their postmortem allies after these black criminals many of them criminals some of them not get themselves killed trayvon mike brown and so many others acted recklessly and belligerently almost with a death wish no will to live no regard for others and that comes back to like family their poor raising i don't want to go to jail is the line that some of them have said when they're running from the cops and so that that's selfish and short-sighted reasoning so they pick hell instead and they and their deaths the overreaction to their deaths brings hell on earth and that's what black lives matter has brought the hashtag black lives matter took off online because young people and brainwashed blacks and liberals and communists are shallow and petty these people racially profile the whites and the police and they don't even have to be white honestly treating them with the suspicion and assuming presuming them guilty even after exculpatory evidence comes out even after even after they hate all authorities including cops their mothers their fathers if they know them and god himself so black lives matter has become like the establishment of the religion of the hate crime hoax which is very common and it has been common for some time and i i suspect that black lives matter has increased the occurrence of the hate crime hoax hate crime doesn't even exist but the now it has become popular to just make up just a black person writing the n-word on college campuses it's just so ridiculous blacks are now they feel pressured to lie and say oh such-and-such thing was racist even if they don't personally feel that way there's a pressure from the community so ordinary liberals who believe that racism exists which it doesn't but ordinarily liberals who think that racism exists they know by personal experience that blacks in their common experience are the most so-called racist that you run into because black said the perpetrators the aggressors and the complainers who turn around and play victim it's not good it's not good it's evil it's it's not racism versus anti-racism it's good versus evil you gotta thank you very much james for that opening statement and want to let you know folks we have many more juicy debates coming up in the future so if you haven't already folks hit that subscribe button as an example this friday alex stein and vegan gains collide on whether or not veganism is morally obligatory it's going to be juicy you don't want to miss it so as i mentioned hit that subscribe button and without we will go into open conversation but one last announcement before we do our guests are linked in the description folks if you have been listening and you're like um i like that go ahead right now and click on their links in the description and that includes that their links are in the description for the podcast as well so if you're listening there as well you can click on their links and thank you very much brenton and j and james hake i'm not used to saying that there's another james here james and brenton the floor is all yours right on appreciate that cool so there was a lot in that opening statement um but one of the things that i didn't hear um i i heard a lot of assertions um but i didn't hear any citations um there were what where are you getting a lot of this information because i'm hearing some very broad claims that are very general and and i'm not exactly sure like what we can back that up with beyond opinion what one what claim have i made that you don't know to be true well hang on so there's a number of claims that you've made that i would take issue with um but what i'm wondered about what i'm wondering about for instance is um you made the claim take for instance that uh the reason that crack cocaine it gets a higher sentence than powder cocaine is because the behavior of the people who sell the crack cocaine but that wouldn't function within our justice system because behavior is taken into account when the judges are sentencing that's why people get additional um charges so for instance simply possessing a certain amount of crack cocaine would get you a charge but then also having worse behavior on top of that would get you even greater charges so if the sentencing is simply for the drugs and utterly divorced from the behavior you can't explain that um uh discrepancy in the in the sentencing uh by um saying that uh you know for for whatever reason the people that sell crack are not as classy as the people that sell powder cocaine it's not about class it was about the the crack epidemic was inextricably associated with high murder rates whether they whether the people themselves were caught committing murders right they weren't sensitive to common sense especially with big complicated socio-political things but it's not a complicated socio-political thing it's a it's a certainly it's a simple thing it's a simple issue i mean no it's a very it's not a very simple issue i mean like straight up the there is a significant suspicion within the black community with regard to the the so-called crack epidemic that this was specifically engineered by the cia to put them into prison on purpose and you know we don't have any proof for that but the cia was known to be running drugs during that time we had motive we had opportunity and we had means so yeah we don't have proof and i would not conclude anything beyond that but the idea of the crack epidemic uh within the 90s was much bigger than simply people like than simply drug dealers behaving aggressively with crack because if you're going to sentence someone you're going to send an and they're also a murderer you would hit them with a drug charge for the crack and you would hit them for a murder charge you don't just make the drug charge for the crack more than the drug charge for the powder cocaine you'll have to argue with those people themselves because the blacks at that time were begging for a strong reaction to the crime problem so the black so black leadership themselves so who are not aware of this no i'm asking for a quote i want to know who in the black leader i don't need it because i don't need to give you a quote it's it's it's well documented that the black leadership wanted strong action against the violent crime okay so who was it was it was it al sharpton that wanted it was it maybe jesse jackson like i wasn't real i was a kid back then we both were yeah but the um people aren't always caught when they commit murders when when a when a particular drug is a problem drug associated with associated with murders and i'd grant you that maybe maybe the cia were running shenanigans but it's entirely possible i i wouldn't say it without proof but it's possible but um when something is associated with when it becomes a problem for example when i was a kid pogs we were playing pogs you would hit you would hit this toy down and flip it over yeah i'm familiar with pogs there was there was a a problem with fights would start to break out then so so they cracked down on pogs but then there were some like nice i don't know people playing magic cards it wasn't such a problem and so you crack down on the pogs but you don't crack down on the on the um you crack down on the pogs even though the person playing the pogs didn't commit any other crime even though the person selling the crack or buying the crack may not have committed any other crime it's just it's just how these people it's how the leadership felt was the best way to deal with it maybe it turned out for the worse i don't know yeah thank you for taking me back to the 90s there by the way because i played with pogs and then i gave it up for magic the gathering which i thought was much more fun um yeah so again i think there's a big difference i can i see what you're getting at there is that um certain pastimes can be associated with um certain communities of people and that this might put a amount of maybe i i guess the lack of a better word prejudice on a specific activity um even though there's not really a reason for that i think with pogs the big problem was that people were gambling with them and so when they win they'd take the pogs and then people would freak out i think that was what was causing the fights um magic they had a rule that you could you could play for ante and steal somebody's cards or not so i think that's that might have been why they behave differently and also schools get really mad about gambling in schools even if it's not for money um but again i think that i see what you're trying to say with that um and that may have played into it a little bit but the these still the the fact that like they sat down and came up with these sentencing guidelines in law like in law in these very like structured uh judges and are coming up with this and prosecutors are um prosecuting it i think what we what we can conclude is that the point of the law however it was was not to punish the use of drugs it was to punish specific people with the excuse of punishing them with drugs which again is what john ehrlichman said he said he knew that they were lying about the drugs they did it just to attack black people because nixon didn't like them well why didn't nixon like them there was it was inextricably associated with the violent crime you like ignoring that the crack epidemic was murdered the epidemic was way after nixon okay but whatever but i don't know what was happening during nixon's time but we're talking about murders through the roof i don't know what blacks were like back in nixon's time they got a little out of control and you know with these riots and and you know there was for ages there's been a group of blacks who want to keep the victimhood thing which you're you're buying into honestly and there were blacks who want the responsibility side and never mind the the injustice supposedly we face because you can overcome stuff but when you focus more on this injustice you're going to overcompensate and create more injustice and that's all that black lives matter has done okay so i let's talk a little bit because i find this is really interesting um you uh feel that uh what i'm getting from you and you can tell me if i'm right here you feel that the narrative of of racism um is contributing to a victim mentality within the people that are complaining about racism correct yeah it's that's plain it's not a feeling that's plain okay so i can see where you're getting that that's somewhat logical but let's think about this for just a second okay so if let's imagine in a hypothetical world what if they were actually complaining about racism what if it was real how would that look differently to you than if they were fake complaining about racism like how would they would they still say would they say the same words what's the what's the difference there i can't play with if because racism doesn't exist and we all know that blacks will call anything racist so it's it's so frequent you you somebody gets into a little argument at a at a desk and he starts looking around and crying racism it's ridiculous people you have valid complaints now and then and sometimes you say oh this is and they miscarr they misdiagnose it as racism it is an injustice but it's not racism what do you define racism as i'd be i'd be interested to hear that it doesn't exist people judging based on race you don't right right okay so so judging based on race is how you define races yeah okay and i can see that that's kind of the the idea is based in the in the zeitgeist i would actually call that prejudice um like judging based upon for basically for bad reasons i think probably people do it without realizing it but that's not exactly what i would define as racist uh i would define racism in a systemic sense um you know in terms of like actual physical policy carried out by the government that then goes on to inform interactions on them on the macro level so a great example is you know nixon wants the war on black people because he thinks they're his enemies so he goes in and he um instructs his press corps and his people to make sure to put as many of them in prison as possible they get put in prison by people who probably weren't bad people just doing their jobs following their orders and then you get ronald reagan into office and ronald reagan really loves the free market he loves privatizing uh businesses so he says hey i'm going to privatize these uh jail cells and to make sure that like you know businesses jump at this i'll guarantee them 90 occupancy and then you've got that pressure on the system to put as many people into those beds as possible so that you can make them work and that everybody can make money off of these people who are work paid you know paid 15 cents an hour to to manufacture military flak jackets uh and stereo equipment like that's what i would consider racism in the sense that like it's not the people necessarily who are involved like maybe nixon up at the top and maybe reagan had some bad feelings maybe he didn't but the actual system the the the web of power between individuals that leads to bad outcomes for people based upon criteria that they can't entirely control that's what i would think of when i think of it as racism and that's usually what black lives matter are objecting to they don't always say it in the best way possible because it's a difficult and advanced concept to talk about but i think sort of the the interpersonal prejudice aspect of racism is almost like it's there but it's i it doesn't seem to me to be the big problem it's not the elephant in the room um you know the elephant in the room is we have these incentives that were built into our society by men long dead that are now causing us very very serious problems and causing some of the social discord that you see and rightly don't like i don't buy that nixon or reagan had those so-called prejudices that you claim that they had they're not around i mean have you have you listened to nixon's tapes nixon recorded like everything he said he like said something people people say stuff but people's stuff sounds awful but men used to talk frankly in the in the good old days that's why trump was so refreshing let's let's bring it to reality present reality where we can all see what's going on this is what you claim yeah well the past is all rather than what you it's not reality though because you're saying stuff that may have happened may not have happened may have had reasons to it may not have had good reasons to it i mean you can fact check me and again i'm going to listen to the nixon tapes like i'm not interested there are quotes by nixon that i could not read on this podcast can you say them but bleep them or something uh yeah like um nixon said no wait no no i'm not because i'm gonna get clipped if i tried that okay never mind but people say stuff people say stuff and there's nothing wrong with it i mean there's nothing wrong but what someone says especially when they're behind closed doors like with like it can give you an insight into where their mind is what were the blacks like that he was responding to them though you're not telling them i mean again he was responding to them in general because he saw that community as his political enemies so i don't think it would have mattered what they were like all that nixon probably cared about was that they were against him i mean politics politics is more than just mere disagreement it's about it's about people it's about right versus wrong and so he saw them as wrong and what's wrong with him seeing them as wrong i mean what i would say is the problem with seeing someone else as inherently wrong when you get pulled into your own egotistical um you know headspace like that and you don't engage your empathy to understand why they may be behaving the way they're going to behave you make a big mistake and that will oftentimes lead to disastrous results especially if you're someone like the president of the united states whose bad decisions can have horrible ripple effects for decades to come but you're projecting egotism and and a lack of understanding on him you don't know him you don't you're just judging him based on words words and you were you were brought up in a culture that was politically correct we're not used to hearing men talk like men and so this is america i mean okay but we're like what do you think let's let's dig into that men talk like men what do you what do you mean men talk like men men talk about what reality is if it's a bunch of n-words they'll say that's a bunch of n-words if it's a bunch of uh bad kids they'll call them a bunch of bad kids they'll they'll call people what they are so what you're saying is essentially is that people like in the past like kkk members and stuff who called black people the n-word that slur in their that was who those black people really were and they were just telling it like it is is that what i'm getting i don't really honestly buy that it was such a slur back in the in the in the good old days because it's kind of like the the b word or the the n word have you ever read tom sawyer or huckleberry finn people said it and it didn't even necessarily mean anything bad so i i think that it's mellow drama it's this mama spirit let me just feel sorry for these people and get all dramatic and you can't see this or that and clamp down on freedom of speech and it's it's really pathetic it's just meant to make blacks more angry and hate whites for being free so let me first acknowledge what you're saying there because what you seem to be pushing back against if i'm right is sort of this whole thing like when i was a kid for instance um my mom didn't like me to say stupid she yeah she didn't want me to do that because you know that was a mean thing to do and i could get me into fights and all this other stuff so she basically just said to me and my brother don't call anybody stupid don't call anybody dumb and then as i grew up i started to call people stupid and dumb and sometimes it's worked out for me and sometimes it hasn't um i i can see that that is something that someone would naturally bristle against and that you can find certain aspects of uh politically correct language to be stifling that i i think that's a hundred percent valid and i'm really with you on that where i'm not going with you is the use of the slurs now i i have read huckleberry finn my dad read me huckleberry finn when i was growing up um so and i you know there that word was in there and it was just nonchalant it was not also but also we know that there is a phenomenon called pseudo-speciation um this is something they discovered in like world war ii because they found out that like 80 of the soldiers in world war ii fired over their heads and tried to not kill the enemy um yeah humans have a natural block that we don't want to kill or hurt other humans for the most part unless you're like a psychopath or something so what they found then going into a super predator yeah or a super predator um so then they found that going into like the vietnam war for instance they wanted to train soldiers to actually shoot to kill the enemy and so they did a number of things that would allow them to put a mental block it's called pseudo-speciation where you before you do something terrible to someone you have to convince yourself that they're not human so uh one of the big things in like the the training in vietnam was to think of them as a silhouette as a shadow as opposed to an actual person and one of the major reasons and ways that people do this is through language and that is one of the things that makes uh specific words and slurs like the n-word so dangerous not on like an individual one-to-one level you know i'm not going to hear it and suddenly run off and try to kill it like somebody same thing i'm not going to hear the the b word and i'm not you know i'm not i'm just saying i'm not going to hear [ __ ] and go and hit a woman but you can these people that are maybe already moving in that direction that kind of wanted to do it anyway they start using that language and it starts wearing down those blocks uh that prevents it and suddenly they're taking out their anger on something that's not a human so i think there's a really good reason why you need to be worried about the use of slurs again not on an individual level but in public projected to hundreds of thousands of people repeated again and again it starts a nasty cycle that some of the people who let's just say are more violently inclined um are you know it gets them worked up um so i fail yeah you know what so then we should get rid of the slurred nazi and the slur racist and the slur pig cop or acab because that is that's that's what's happening oh yeah it's a cab well it's okay you've never heard it live yeah second time during your life so um i i'm so with nazi i mean nazi is a thing i don't think anybody uses nazi as a slur yeah now there is um now as far as like pig i can actually kind of go with you on that because and i'm going to take a lot of heat from my friends for this but yes when pete when protesters call cops pigs they are engaging in the same kind of pseudo-speciation and i think that that is something that you know is while sometimes understandable is something that we as a society need to rise above um you know to rise above our animalistic natures um because again yeah the on one hand you know a cab the the slogan is a acknowledgement that the it's a criticism of the state it's an acknowledgement of what um certain people believe the police to symbolize and to function in actual reality let's explain a cab for the boomers a c a b a cab all cops are bastards yeah and you can feel like that like dude i did a lot of protesting with occupy wall street and you can get into a very uh sort of loggerheads relationship with the cops when you're doing that because they're the ones who are there kind of restraining you and about probably one-third of them are horrible and one-third of them i think are really great and one-third just kind of want to get through the day uh you know and um you know get their paycheck but like the the point is is that like when you run into these situations it's very important to not get swept up in i guess you know uh group think and to not start thinking of the people as necessarily your enemies um you know there was a cop i remember at occupy wall street and i was sitting there talking to my friend a little loudly um and i think i may have even said like a cab or something and the cop came up to me and he said you know do you know why i wanted to be here and i said no no why he said because i support you and i want to make sure that you are safe you know i asked for this duty and i was really taken by that um similarly like you know um i met uh captain ray lewis the former philadelphia police captain who was arrested with occupy uh very famously at his big picture on newsweek and everything um and you know he's become one of my best friends and has provided a lot of insight into police culture that i think a lot of people on the left just may not have because they're they're just locked into that us versus them i'm right there wrong i'm good their evil mentality when you know ultimately we're just complicated human beings trying to relate to one another you know the re you didn't really address the racist slur what does it do i believe that you're a buddhist are you yes examine themselves right what is it what is it to what do you imagine it is like to be a black who is raised to believe in this racism thing whites are racist i can't be racist what do you think it's is is like to be able to accuse somebody of something that you don't think that you can be guilty of what does that do to a soul i mean that's a bit of power assuming that the person really does believe that um i you know it's it's well known on the far left that people will you know there's the pecking party where people get into a uh trying to be the best leftist that they can possibly be in the most politically correct um and they become very very toxic and tear down each other for no good reason it's one of the worst most frustrating things to see and i can see how racist could be used in that way um i don't think it's quite up to the level of a slur um but like i don't think anyone has ever been robbed uh because they were a racist oh yeah oh yeah they have i mean i can see why whites are targeted by blacks it's it's called polar bear hunting i don't know if they've been robbed but they've been the knockout game they've been they've black on white crime is is way out of proportion and a lot of times it is motivated by oh f the f that white he's racist i mean i really think that that's you know i i lived in just for saying the n word one guy allegedly allegedly said the n word and he got knocked out and killed well i i would hope that he wouldn't be killed for such a thing um i'm not sure exactly who you're referring to but it was a guy in like a wenchell's donut or something look look i lived in harlem i lived in sugar hill harlem for 10 years um i at no point well once i think once in 10 years i encountered a black person that was genuinely racist towards white people like and it was an old lady who was muttering to herself uh you know about us being like cave dwellers or something and you know that hurt to hear because you know you don't like the idea that somebody that you don't even know hates you for reasons you can't control um but you know ultimately that was one woman who has been looked to have had a very very rough really really hard life um so you know i can kind of let that roll off my back my neighbors for years upon end were wonderful people like you know they behaved a little differently than i did uh on the street we had we would talk at different volumes we would walk in different ways um you know they yell at each other more often than i was used to but they're just people um you know like anybody else and i i don't feel like you know while definitely i have seen people use accusations of racism as a way to wield power i think that there's also you know a genuine problem that needs to be called out and we need to kind of keep both in mind um so yeah i mean that was what i wanted to that's what i wanted to address and this was you talked about black lives matter spreading ill will and i've heard this a lot i did want to address this like i can see what you're trying to say with that that when people bring up racist racism it can get people into a combative mindset where they do again kind of like with the leftists and the cops um or like you know where they see the other side as a unified hole that's coming after them as opposed to a collection of individuals um but don't you think that like spreading like if black lives matter spreads ill will what do you think it does when you say stuff like racism doesn't exist and like trayvon martin deserved to be killed like that's kind of spread ill will like crazy it doesn't it it may be provocative but it's the truth we need the truth black lives matter is based on all lies the people who say that black lives matter they don't value their own lives many of them are miserable people many of them have committed suicide and then they say oh this person was lynched turns out he hanged himself it happened like multiple times and these people are like that like i said they're overweight they're part of this lgbt stuff they're part of the communist they don't even want america to exist they're in bed with ant or antifa is in bed with them whatever i mean what i would say is you know let's assume that you're correct they don't want america to exist america led by richard nixon with a possible cia trying to put them into prison to exploit them for their labor can you understand maybe why they might feel that way according to you but even still that's long over and yeah i know that stuff stuff that happened in the past affects today world war ii and all that stuff but it is black lives matter is worse than the kkk because they are teaching they're pushing anger they're pushing hatred and they're pushing false they're very accusatory even before blacks don't like being assumed to be guilty so why are they assuming cops and whites of being guilty trayvon martin being guilty of what exactly being guilty of murder or racism or whatever in fact not not one example of racism have they come up with with their uh their martyrs they're so-called martyrs who've been killed or who've been uh attacked okay so hang on i'll give you a good example of of racism for one of the major cases and you can hopefully understand this are you familiar with what happened to freddie gray yes okay so freddie gray and do you know what redlining is i've heard of it okay yeah so redlining is just just as a refresher uh this was a a project where home loans were denied to black people in certain areas like so a lot of the uh boom in the 50s where everybody could have a house and build wealth you know was a result of home loans from the u.s government these home loans were denied to black people even if they had the credit and the money to get a home they still weren't able to get it they were forced into um you know essentially tenements um regardless of how hard they worked what wound up happening there was that freddie gray was raised in an illegal an illegal housing tenement that had was in a red-lined area and he grew up eating um paint chips like lead paint chips that were on the wall um like some children do you know and as a result of this he became brain damaged now he and his sisters won a case you know with the city of baltimore with regard to that but he was actually tricked out of the money by um some unscrupulous lawyers that came after him afterwards when he didn't really have the capacity to understand that he was signing away his money in exchange for one like lump sum uh you know when people are poisoned by lead it has a number of negative effects it makes it difficult for them to concentrate it makes it harder for them to get through school it makes them more aggressive at times and so all of this came together into his confrontation with those police officers you know who say probably that he tried to run or or was you know was rude or whatever and they threw him in the back of their van and they basically did donuts until his spine severed now you can there's a lot of points in that story that could lead up to it but you can see how race racial policies that led to freddie gray having the circumstances that he had were exactly what put him in the position to die in the back of that police car um you know when those police officers made that decision you know it's it's it was bigger than them it was bigger than him um so i would say that's a that's a perfect example of racism systemic racism resulting in a bad outcome that we as a society kind of need to avoid i don't think it's a good idea to poison people with lead i don't think it's a good idea to steal their money and i don't think it's a good idea to be cruel to them when you arrest them you know um lawyers being dishonest is not racism they do it to everybody and they're very there are many dishonest black lawyers taking advantage of this thing right now there are many so-called families of these so-called victims who are making millions of dollars in settlements when in actuality they should probably be paying the cities that their children's deaths the over-reaction to their children's deaths or husbands or whatever uh caused so much damage and this redlining redlining as you described it it doesn't sound racist to me it sounds like they were trying to deal with the the problem of this diversity thing because all of this forced integration was every bit as evil maybe even worse than this redlining stuff and nowadays nowadays they are forcing i mean i think it was clinton he said every black family should own a home and so they he started the roots of the housing crisis because blacks did not pay back their loans and many others were not paying back their loans oh this affirmative action stuff is every bit as evil maybe worse than the then the separation community doesn't want you in the community why would you want to be in that community okay so so and then and just just i don't i i'm gonna say that racism had nothing to do or racism or anti-racism or whatever had nothing to do with the uh housing crisis that's something i know very intimately having been buried in occupy wall street that was caused by credit default swaps which is a long complicated thing to get into but essentially aig was selling triple insurance and it got to a point where um like because of the way they'd set things up it didn't matter if the loans got paid or not the people at the top made money either way so then they just started giving out loans to everyone because it was free money we before we go too far down the rabbit hole don't get me wrong interesting stuff to talk about just pulling it back to the black lives matter topic that we have for tonight if we are able to focus more on those arguments as i know that it's probably good absolutely [Music] saying that the cops basically did donuts is a is just a blind false accusation because you don't know what happened freddie gray was a drug dealer you left that out yeah it was called the rough ride and i i don't it was called a rough ride by who there was no proof that there was a rough ride i mean how else is this that was just an accusation how else is his spine gonna sever and i don't know he got tackled he ran from the cops they were just standing there he ran from them they chased him i don't know if they're supposed to chase him or not i mean they tackled him maybe that's how he's spying that stuff i don't i don't think your spine is going to get separated just because just to be sure there's not too much overlap okay i mean like i said you don't know what happened well there's no point and you said rough you said donuts like you knew but you don't know i mean donuts describes what a rough ride is it's where they put you in the back of the car and they drive the car very radically in order to cause you to bump around and you they probably expected him to come out with a few bumps and bruises and to think twice about you know being rude to them or whatever or you know maybe they just did it to be mean i don't know let me reiterate you don't know that they even gave a rough ride that's just uh that's just a spurious claim they were not i don't believe any of them were even convicted even though they were charged which had a cooling vote over there they they weren't convicted they were charged and it's really taken until now for cops that do this to actually get convicted and there's a number of major problems behind that um a lot of it dealing with police unions and also the fact that prosecutors have to work with cops and you know we talked about you know mob mentality and kind of circling the wagons and seeing the other side as the enemy if prosecutors have to work with cops they're going to be very reluctant to actually charge and convict cops uh because if they do maybe then that guy's friends are mad at them and they don't help him on the next case so prosecutors are very you it's interesting that you bring out prosecutors because they're very corrupt now we have black lives matter minded prosecutors who are not enforcing the law black lives matter i'll reiterate is worse than the kkk because it's encouraging blacks to hate i mean the kkk like tried to carry out armed insurrection in the 70s like and what actual harm did they do black lives matters people black lives matter is murdering people they've increased the murder rates they've ignored the black-on-black words hang on you you don't know that they've increased the murder rate yes you are assuming that you're assuming that it didn't you just gave me you're saying i can't know that these cops did a rough ride but you you can know that black lives matter is increasing the murder rates which is so much more complicated than a then whether or not a few officers took an action that could be considered a rough ride the establishment support for black lives matter in the mainstream media in the uh established the politicians the people who are uh the um bureaucrats that has that has hurt the had a cooling effect on policing and it has spread the lie that oh cops are racist oh we need to let people out of prisons oh this and that and meanwhile the crime is out of control and it has gotten even worse because there is a there is a soft on crime thing and it has encouraged you haven't even addressed this issue it has encouraged blacks to hate and that's worse than i mean so i i kind of addressed that with the spreading of the ill will what do you mean it's encouraged blacks to hate because it's falsely accusing cops and whites of this imaginary racism thing okay but let's imagine even if even if it were real what's good about hating it um i don't think hating is ever really good um you know it's what it is what is it that dalai lama said like um you know it's like hating is like drinking poison and expecting your opponent to die and that's what's happening in the black community so i can say that hate might be a natural reaction from people when they are confronted with injustice you know um when they are or what they perceive as injustice if you don't believe it's real injustice you know i can see that that is something that some people will fall into and we should do what we can to again communicate on a higher level because we all have to live together um you know so i i think that there is something to be said for heavy heavy focus on um just racism and nothing else you know to get it's like mean world syndrome like where seniors go and all they do is they watch the news and the news is sensationalist so they start to believe that the world outside their house is really really dangerous because all they're doing is reading bad story after bad story after bad story on the news that's that's a real psychological phenomenon yeah so you could see a version of mean world syndrome happening with regard to somebody who is really enmeshed in um you know social justice to say for a thing if that's their world that's what they're living in if they're just getting nothing bad news okay that's something that you know i think a lot of activists have to deal with that and you know people talk about burnout and people talk about you know feeling like there is absolutely no hope in fighting for a better world um but what i will remember what i always remember is when i went to uh occupy the to protest the democratic national convention i think this was 2012 maybe um when i was there um i was with occupy and we were walking from one meeting place back to the park and all of a sudden out of nowhere all these cops roll up on us um now it's dark uh we're wet i'm holding um uh i think i don't remember exactly what i'm holding um but basically we do have to redirect shortly yeah go ahead basically oh yeah so i was holding tarps because we were trying to keep people dry from the rain and these cops come in and basically one of them gets like right up behind me like as close as you would get if there's like a woman you want to creep on like that's where the cop is standing and he's like those aren't signs you're carrying are they and i'm like no officer because i'm going to be friendly i know how dangerous this situation is but you know i'm like nope they're tarps and it goes uh good because signs make us nervous i go no no look at him and as i dealt with this situation and remembering another time that i'd been arrested at occupy and when i wasn't resisting but the cop yelled stop resisting and need me in the spine and threw me into a motorcycle that kind of terror later on i got back to the hotel and i was sitting and there was a there was a black gentleman about 40 years old very well put together you know nice suit and everything and we just got to talking about it and i was like dude i have never felt like that around cops in my entire life and he's like i feel like that every single day and like the thing is is that people have very different reactions and relations with law enforcement based upon like who what they look like and what communities they come from so i feel like what's important when we are talking about this kind of thing is to try to see things from the other person's perspective and maybe we'll learn something that we didn't know before you need to tell that to the blacks because whites have bent over backwards for the blacks the cops are bending over their hands are tied cops are so-called racists because they're the ones who have to deal with the worst of the blacks the worst of all the criminals and so this is this is just so phony and i mean there's something to be there's something to be said for you know cops have this saying uh ray lewis told me about him it said there's two kinds of people to a cop there's uh there's cops and [ __ ] that's it you know because they deal with a lot of the time the worst of society and people on their their worst days like again and again and again it's one of the problems like with being a police officer is you get beaten down and they know what blacks are like i mean again i don't feel like you can make that statement with any any kind of authority like know what what does that even mean like is there a blackout dealing with them how it is dealing with them yeah but hang on they're not dealing with all of the blacks they're dealing with they know a lot more than us enough to generalize i mean but yeah but again when cops generalize they usually don't generalize well because again cops and [ __ ] like they think everyone they deal with a lot of the time is a horrible person because they deal with so many horrible people and you know humans can only recognize what is it 150 or so individuals and everybody else gets grouped into it's called dunbar's number so i i don't think you can you can use you know even genuinely held prejudices that cops have as evidence that that is in fact the case you're you're you can nitpick the cops all you want and i'm with you on some of it but you're you're not going to deal with the whole issue unless you deal with the black shortcomings and the black anger is out of control i mean is non-existent so this is this whole black lives matter thing it's a total it's a total so misdirection the black family being non-existent do you think maybe that might have something to do with the fact that 34 of their men will at some point be in prison nope you why would there have one one that's their fault two that's not the biggest but it's not their fault it's next yeah no it's their fault why is it their fault because they're the ones committing the crimes they know they know the laws as much as the rest of us they're poorly raised if it's anybody's fault it's the black single mothers who are raising them poorly okay so how do you know that these black single mothers are raising them how many black singers look around and look around at how the black single mothers the children of the black single mothers so okay well you're just denying reality what i feel like is happening here is you've got a couple of incidents that you're pulling from and you're no this is this is no look around you this is go to any community go to i mean major black community and it is harlem hill harlem for 10 years like then well you're blind then you're spiritually blind then that's what it is because that's the only way you can support occupy let's be honest i mean and black lives matter yeah so were you ever at occupy no i stayed clear away from there that's a i knew some occupy supporters blind brainwashed obama supporters and all that well we were mostly indecent people so so first off um occupy was very hostile to obama in fact it's one of the reasons why occupy is not around anymore so i if you found some occupy obama supporters that's really weird but i'm not saying they didn't take reality um i'm not saying they didn't exist they were supposedly christians too it doesn't make any sense at all you know i've heard this you you did this with ben um where you kind of projected that like all of the christians that disagree with you are not christians not on this not on these issues you can't be a christian and support obama you can't be a christian and support the occupy well hang on there are plenty of people that would say and probably have a stronger case that you can't be a christian and support donald trump because he's an adulterer no um no no trump is like jesus compared to any of these people i mean okay that's your opinion but anyway we're talking about black lives matter yeah i mean you ignored i don't know if you've ever even read heather mcdonald she documented the ferguson effect the the homicide spiking thanks to the pandering to black lives matter police been discouraged and their hands tied from doing their jobs criminals emboldened and freed to wreak chaos and woe to those who do who call evil good and good evil it's a backwards world they're just smearing and nitpicking the cops and the whites and there's plenty of smear and nitpick people are imperfect but you're just completely ignoring the out of control black community and you're acting like like i have to pick a couple of examples to to see that it really is yeah i have to have some kind of evidence you don't need evidence you just look around you you're in utter denial if you don't think if you don't know that the black family is almost non-existent i mean so first off um there are i i don't know the statistics on black people like how many of them are actually married but what i do know is it's over 70 out of wedlock but i do know it's also very difficult to get married if you're poor because well no no not excuse me it's not it's not difficult to get married if you're poor you just go to the courthouse again like first off and people are not poor in america i mean blacks are having anything if anything blacks are spoiled in america wow okay um they're given too much they're over served they're not underserved and that's part of the problem i get that you feel that way no it's reality i'm not seeing any evidence for this being react there are many experts who can who can give you the evidence what experts i mean you mentioned this there's a guy who wrote this there's some guy who wrote this book stop helping us go look that up if you need all this evidence stuff okay if this is not plain to you then again you're spiritually blind and you're just i don't know it's you have a lack of common sense on that but we've gone into something here and i i didn't want to get this because i'm i'm trying to i'm trying to get in your head and sort of understand where you're coming from here yeah um okay because you keep saying like spiritually blind you mentioned that you said you didn't think you thought ad hominems were valid arguments yes can you explain why you think that because people are not honest people are liars if including including the people who come up with statistics they have an agenda and evil people don't come up with good solutions to problems so you don't have to get into the minutia of what their what their supposed solution is you know that they're coming from the wrong place all right so the the thing with an ad hominem argument is that just because people are capable of lying does not necessarily mean that what they have said is untrue uh a good example this might be a doctor if a doctor tells you smoking is bad for your health it will give you cancer if you keep smoking and then later on you you go out you find the doctor on a smoke break that doesn't mean he like what he told you wasn't correct it just means he's inconsistent um the ad hominem is a fallacy of irrelevance um it's it's not about like being nice or mean or whatever it's there what is being cited is not relevant to the specific argument at hand so you can say for instance um uh bill gates uh bill gates might come and give this opinion on how you should build a computer you can't say well bill gates uh you know was hanging out with epstein and we know what that means so you know don't listen to what he says about your computer like i don't think we should be kind to bill gates i get what you're talking about what's your confusion about me with the ad how many thing well what what i'm getting here is what it feels like to me is that you have a very totalizing way of looking at things where it it's it's only one way or another it's only from your perspective and i and i think that like what's worrisome to me about that is we know that people all of us are not you know we are not objective observers we that's why we have things like the scientific method that's why we use social institutions to try to interact with reality in a more correct way you don't you don't just you don't give credence to institutions yeah a little bit a little bit they have their uses at times but the institutions have been ill infiltrated by evil and corrupt people and in fact people are in general are evil and corrupt you don't you don't fall for stuff like that i'm not i'm not the most institutional guy i tend to think they're the<br><!-- wp:image {"id":1776,"sizeSlug":"large","linkDestination":"none"} -->rn<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img class="wp-image-1776" 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