half-scientologist Andy Nolch, Space Cowboy – DEBUNKED (re-upload)

half-scientologist Andy Nolch, Space Cowboy – DEBUNKED (re-upload)

hi i’m john atack i’m semi tech and we are related yes um a few weeks ago a young man in australia in melbourne australia called andrew nolch i put up a video called debunking john a tag so we’re responding to that we hope to do so courteously and not to occasion too much mirth along the way and i’m not going to be using the australian accent at any point our theme for today is from charles dickens the wonderful novel great expectations which i’m ashamed to say is the only charles dickens novel i’ve read but in there he says take nothing on its looks take everything on evidence take nothing on its looks take everything on evidence and we’re going to be talking about something which i think is an essential aspect of understanding authoritarian groups and their followers abusive relationships and that is what william james the founding father of psychology called noesis the idea becoming certain of a belief without having evidence feelings of knowing sure i make the differential differentiation between inductive and deductive reasoning i think yeah okay go ahead okay so deductive that’s where you find something out based on evidence inductive is where you try and add stuff to your previous beliefs which are not necessarily held on evidence and then uh inductive you can separate into two where you either take something on weak evidence because it agrees with something you previously believe or you just make something up to justify some contradiction in your beliefs so you deduce something because you have the evidence in front of you and you induce something because you have opinions or belief yeah so deductive reasoning would be the basic method of science yes scientific inquiry which is of course science is not a belief system contrary to it’s a method of inquiry um and inductive reasoning would be the method of sociology yes or evolutionary psychology or or andy notch saying that you have been fed your information on scientology from governmental agencies because he disagrees with you as a source yeah so he does what’s called an ad hominem attack rather than refuting the evidence you attack the source of the evidence and so i’m hoping maybe against hope that andy will see this and rethink his thinking and his way of thinking about things but but we are going to be extensive um he calls himself the space cowboy on his um podcasts and i i went and looked that up and in the urban dictionary it says a space cowboy is a stoner a pot head somebody who constantly smokes marijuana also uses a noun a cool hip and slightly aloof individual who regularly gets super high and goes about his normal business constantly getting stoned so that’s how he identifies himself i’m not sure if he has a different definition that was the only one i could find actually i looked up in several places so this all started when uh an email found its way out of spike’s spam folder and she called me up on a saturday saying that they’d been sat there for three weeks or something and she was really sorry and i should get in touch with this guy i was very busy editing um the latest iteration of opening our minds please go out and yes buy 10 copies immediately we will be repeating that statement throughout the video no we won’t uh yes we will we will in the next videos yeah but you’ve got to really hit people with the thing repetition yes i’ve read it three times but i’ve read it two times and have you read it to me one time that’s true he sat through me reading it out and it will be it’s great we’ll be available on audible pause spike the work she’s had to do well it wasn’t easy for you reading that was awful and i really hadn’t expected it to be difficult at all i thought it’d be great yeah but listening to you reading it out that was great oh very too kind um so this email wandered in and um basically asked and he said that he was no longer a scientologist we will get to the actual text a little bit later on um and he wanted to close down his podcast with a final interview and he thought i’d be the best person in fact he said that you’d helped him become a non-scientologist that he’d read some of your stuff or watch some of it and that had helped him become a non-scientologist yeah and we’ll actually read exactly the words that he used in a little while um in the not too far distant future so i was very busy i didn’t check him out and um i am going to say that i would actually have i’ve done this anyway you’ve not had checked him out so he wanted to interview me we took for a couple of hours i said well i’ll put it up on my channel he’ll put up on your channel and he hadn’t got to the end of his questions i’m really busy so i slot in another couple of hours and he does another interview and he’s still not finished and this is all within a couple of weeks when i’m really busy and um so the third interview and we pretty much you know get to the end of it um my thoughts along the way was that i used to do interventions with um scientologists way back i think the last one was 1995. and i basically came to a method that was successful with everybody i talked to that they would reconsider their involvement with scientology and everyone who was talk would talk to me decided they didn’t want to continue with any kind of scientology so you can’t actually go into an intervention with a a camera and record it not ethically so it this seemed a chance to do something to put on record finally something of my approach in one part of an intervention normally that the first part is is to explain exploitative persuasion guided imagination and show how that works and then the second part is to show material about scientology that’s contradictory that upsets the claims made for scientology and then the third part is where the person i’m open to any questions that was the part we did so if anybody’s interested in the way that i approach that and you know it’s very much an improvisation because you know he asked me whatever questions you want i wanted i didn’t have anything you know and normally you you’d have checked the background of the person you’re doing an intervention on but of course this is for a show he said he was already not a scientologist yeah anymore and um you know so i didn’t need to find out anything about how to persuade him you know you know what what he believed in or any of this and um yeah on reflection i would have done it whichever way but what happened was we’d agreed to release the videos on saturday and he put the first one up on a thursday um he gazumped me as we say which is okay um antonio ortega sent me my good friend my compadre daniel teiger sent me a one-line email very succinct he’s a great journalist you know he doesn’t waffle you know he gets to the point and he said do you know what andy knulch went to prison for and the truth is i didn’t so i went and looked and that led me to do another interview which andy has also put up where i asked him about you know various allegations um that he’s a misogynist that he’s a neo-nazi um and to look at the ander and drug user um and i wanted to look at these things and ask him about it so to to go to those things um he was arrested after spray painting a large phallus um on the grass in a park where a memorial was going to be held for a young comedian called eurydice dixon who had been attacked raped and murdered not very long before a meeting was going to be held by a feminist group and andy is anti-feminist you know his line would be not all men not everyone that’s a line i’ve seen him use so he in the early hours of the morning sprayed this and and i asked him about it and and said you know it was half the size of a cricket pitch in a news report he agreed to that qriket pitches 22 yards i believe so this was an 11 yard penis and testes spray painted he was it was covered with tarpaulin the memorial didn’t turn out to be a political feminist meeting because eurydice dixon’s father asked the parents asked that it should not be and so they respected that and just had a memorial um andy notch was arrested he was sentenced to i believe 200 hours of community service ordered to pay quite a sizable amount of money to repair the turf and that was that he told me that he got i think 180 hours into his community service and he was arrested on his way back into australia i think from indonesia where he’d bought a substance called hermine this is a fungus which is used to mitigate the fairly drastic digestive effects of the drug ayahuasca so he’d got seven times the legal limit of this substance he was arrested the court was notified and he was taken to court because basically under the court order for his community service he couldn’t leave the country without permission and he’d been out of the country twice um so he was then sentenced to five months in prison and he’s so four months um if you’d this is a uh i think there’s a video called graffiti uh no no well it’s an andy notch video we will put a link because this is from the trans transcript youtube transcript from andy knulch if you’d like to read out what his opinion now is of what happened to eurydice dixon he was wrecked and murdered i’m six percent sure this is what happened she said this joke and annoyed this autistic person and she basically triggered him and after the show he hunted her down and killed her uh she had an aggressive personality so it takes two to tango i don’t think he just instantly killed her i think that there would have been much more of a battle and she contributed to it i’ve seen many confrontations in life when someone doesn’t approach it like a peaceful buddhist jesus type person they flare up the other person and so this is why i don’t really get into any fights because i’m just way too chilled all right and that’s that so in his opinion uricy dixon should have just been a jesus buddha type like andy himself and been chilled about being attacked and raped that’s despicable yeah okay let’s look at the actual debunking of john attack yes he starts all of his videos with um yeah this statement which is actually ellen hubbard saying this scientology could be called well you could call it a religion of religions you could but it isn’t um and he then tells us that the the what he’s doing on youtube our closed-door secret briefings yes he’s closed all the doors and he hasn’t told anybody about it yeah and they’re not closed doors no they’re not a secret you can’t put it on so there’s a little bit of contradiction then says i’m your host andy knoll space cowboy and today’s briefing is a debunking of john atack the scientology hater um if you’d like to he quickied a lot of his stuff and he didn’t quite do it very thoroughly so that’s about the nine years that i spent in scientology that a quickie is where you do a process too fast you to get through it his comment comes entirely from what i said about spending three days on ot3 on the one advanced level the rest of scientology i did a regular pace just to clarify that and i had nine years in there you know so here he says from the top the red stuff yeah i’m only half a scientologist uh she said he was only half scientologist when you interviewed him um if you’ve done a good job at the moment at the moment i’m only half assed at the moment i’m only half a scientologist if he’d done a good job of convincing me that scientology is bad i would have said that’s it i’m having nothing to do with scientology like i was shaky as to even if i’m 50 scientologist so that’s what he’s saying now this is what he said on the 16th of february 2021 these are his words if you could read those i’m very interested in interviewing john attack for my independent scientology podcast i was a scientologist inside and outside the church for around four years each now now i am a non-believer john helped wake me up to the truth about scientology i host a podcast about independent scientology and i am about to stop making it as i’m no longer a scientologist would john like to be my very last interview he also said in that email that he loved my stuff and that’s what it got him to stop believing so he came to me as somebody who no longer believed he now says i didn’t convince him back then i was just like no i don’t know yeah um so in fact he he made a positive statement yes he did know that he was no longer a scientologist um yeah it doesn’t matter yeah so he then says um skeptics are just wrong about things yeah and he accused me of being a skeptic whatever that is yeah so we have a definition um one who instinctively or habitually doubts questions or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions that’s the american heritage dictionary one who doubts the validity of what claims to be knowledge in some particular department of inquiry for example metaphysics theology natural science etc and that’s the oed oxford english dictionary so by those terms yes i admit to being a skeptic i do habitually doubt question disagree with assertions and generally accepted conclusions i doubt the validity of material that claims to be knowledge and i believe it should be tested i believe to do otherwise is to be a dupe to be credulous to be gullible we should check things and i encourage people you know as i have with my children to to question things uh with my kids right from my oldest on through i have four children i thought great good luck um i have encouraged them all to to challenge my authority to question me and sadly they have at times proved me wrong ah so goodness i’ve changed my mind about that do as you’re told i think we should question i think we should test and um he he then tells us about skeptics and he’s made a confusion here i think he’s confusing skeptic with a capital s a member of the skeptic society i’ve never belonged to the skeptic society i have given i gave two talks to the skeptics in the early 1990s um but that’s you know my i’m not a member of the skeptics society yeah so i’ll read it again skeptics are just wrong about things they’re wrong about psychic abilities they’re wrong about aliens they’re wrong about government conspiracies and stuff yeah well one of the things that ron hubbard said about anti-social personalities they trade in generalities so suddenly i’m labeled as a skeptic i am skeptical but i’m not a member of the skeptic society um to presume um that all people who are skeptical don’t believe in these things i mean when i spoke to the skeptic society at south ethical place in london which is where rossetti william morris used to lecture wow one of them said to me that he was skeptical about hypnosis and that you can be skeptical about anything i beli i’ve seen guided imagination or what people call hypnosis used throughout scientology to get people to believe all sorts of strange things so i do believe that hypnosis exists yes what the mechanisms involved in it are is a little more complicated i also would like to say yep don’t believe in psychic abilities not seen any evidence like to see evidence had plenty of time scientology’s had 40 something years now to convince me it’s nearly 47 years and you use the tinsel test and i have used the tinsel test many times i haven’t used the mints well it’s a bit hard retroactively i just do this but if you really do have superpowers i used to put a little bit of tinfoil on the table in front of me if i was talking and say that you know if there are any scientology operating phatons watching that if they could just move the bit of tin foil a centimeter or an inch i didn’t mind what kind of measure they used could be metric or imperial um then that would be a proof of their psychic abilities i’d heard enough of them so they were moving clouds or changing traffic lights yes what south africans call robots but i i’ve never and you know sorry it’s been there all these years as yet i have never seen a psychic ability demonstrated and having somebody write about it is not enough for me i need to witness it um they’re wrong about aliens i don’t know what skeptics are wrong about in terms of aliens are there alien life forms yes do i believe that inevitably in a universe of this size are inevitably other inhabited planets are they capable of reaching our planet well not according to our contemporary scientific theory because they need to travel at speeds that would spaghettify them and that is the technical term or they need to be able to travel through wormholes in space which if we could prove that if such things existed so yes there are aliens no i don’t believe they’re among us and i’ve not seen any evidence and i’ve looked at a fair amount that i find persuasive because the evidence i have looked at is conflicting so yeah that’s another topic all together but if you look at the guy who faked the autopsy of the aliens a friend of mine actually was the producer before i met him uh of a wonderful little documentary where they go and interview the butcher who provide the bones that were used in the autopsy of the aliens it’s like it’s that pathetic skeptics are wrong about government conspiracies well from my point of view governments are always engaging in conspiracies um the overthrow of foreign states uh sadly a common place of um us policy since 1945 for example honduras or iran but they’re among i believe that have been 80 attempts to overthrow states and 42 of them would be 42 have been successful and they’ve tended to replace democratic governments as in honduras and iran with dictatorships and that’s through conspiracy that that’s that’s occurred pretending that they’d found nuclear weapons which is part of the deception that’s within yeah so the the invasion of iraq um when the weapons inspector um hence blick something like that when he’d said absolutely not they said yes that’s what it is and we later found out that it was just two defectors from iraq who didn’t have any real information had managed to persuade the intelligence agencies of europe and america that such weapons existed i believe at the time the foreign minister of iraq was an american agent so they had somebody rather higher up who could have told them the truth so yes governments do conspire just to clarify that point if we want to go on and we’ll see the conspiracies he believes in government conspiracy there’s lots of good fun coming up yes after finding out about him it made me put him into the category of being an unreliable source of information now he repeats that a dozen times um you know i’m a faulty calculator and it it becomes tedious listening to the repetition um as we the joke we made at the beginning about that we would be mentioning opening our minds every few minutes and saying go and buy ten copies but that wasn’t in factory we won’t be repeating that yes it’s about the repetition principle yes but he’s a space cowboy so he is a space cowboy when you’re stoned it’s hard to tell whether you’re jesus or buddha yeah and here we have i’ve written down all the points why i don’t think he’s reliable and he then in an hour and 20 minutes to say i believe gives just three examples all the points um so one example one example he would say something like trump’s terrible person or something and that’s just not true trump is an awesome guy he’s just a good guy there’s nothing wrong with him every country needs a president like trump okay so this is um comparing apples with oranges isn’t it that um because i have a low opinion of donald john trump based upon a lot of research um tens of hours of video much of it you know with his friends the bandy lee’s wonderful book the dangerous case of donald trump that the evidence is that without getting too deeply into it his father fred trump was a cohort of of mafia gangsters who basically ripped people off blind in the building trade um he started out with the commodore he managed to get a remarkable tax break from the corrupt new york mayor uh to build to refurbish a building for rich people with money that was meant to be helping the poor so who who was one of the lead builders in the documentary we watched who said he’d just try and use the cheapest possible the woman who was the uh project coordinator for trump towers yes said that while she still admires the building and i do i think it’s quite a good-looking building she said all material on the inside was absolutely the cheapest you could get yeah and these apartments are sold for millions he then went goes on to to start up three casinos in atlantic city and you know you know writes the art of the deal or doesn’t in fact write the art of the deal the man called tony schwartz writes the art of the deal and he he’s claiming to be this fantastic businessman and you go here’s the first principle of business i’ve established a casino in atlantic city let me put two more there so i can compete with myself he did get to the point where he had i believe the largest owning casino in the world a million dollars a day was coming through that but it still didn’t pay the interest on the money he’d borrowed to run it yes and he himself had almost nothing to do with running it i’ve seen interviews with the people who did so um not a great businessman uh bankrupted along the way all sorts of scandals beyond that so but this is completely irrelevant it’s the evidence about scientology that’s relevant not not what my opinions are about any political figure past or future so this is a confusion of energy of evidence by having too broad a remit this is irrelevant what i think about trump and he says i’d read his book about money it had written 15 years ago this is the art of the deal which as i say was written by tony schwartz tony schwartz in the piece he wrote for dangerous case of donald trump which is largely a psychiatric analysis of trump um points out that in one of his private conversations trump said to him people are either predators or prey and i’d like to thoroughly disagree with that that’s a psychopathic notion of the world you don’t have to be a predator and you don’t have to be prey that you can be a collaborator yeah you can be a decent cooperative person yeah and indeed it’s the predator prey model that will always spoil society and cause authoritarian belief that of course trump wants to help humanity what are you doing there are predators and they’re afraid but yeah um there’s all these things that i fact check that he’s wrong about and say there are only three points that he makes in the whole video he’s like faulty calculator which of course is the dianetics modern science and mental health comparison that uh you have a held down seven or a held down five depending which part and that will go into all of your calculations i’ve written down many things but he decided not to share them with us he sees a hat and he calls it an orange which is something he actually says three times through the video he sees a hat and he calls it an orange um okay uh we haven’t got a hat in the room sadly but we won’t we will presume your good faith and accepting that i can tell the difference between a hat and orange and we’ll move on okay what would a hat look like it’s something you put on your head and what color is orange oh that’s a difficult one and what are the oranges of this what are the oranges of this one what are the oranges of this he said that hubbard offered brainwashing to kennedy yeah we’ll get that’s the first of his three points um um the simple point and we will probably get into this in far too elaborate detail is i did indeed say that aaron hubbard had written a letter to kennedy in which he offered brainwashing technology and um i was wrong okay one of the things about evidence-based belief is that you can change your mind and you can find out there was something wrong in the evidence but what was wrong in the evidence is quite simple the letter that hubbard wrote offered conditioning yes so it’s all in a matter of if you could explain the difference between conditioning and brainwashing he also we’ve got the detail here but he also wrote a letter to the fbi in which he said he’d sent his brainwashing materials to the defense department yeah and this is the one point that yeah hubbard also said we can brainwash faster than the russians 20 seconds to total amnesia he also said in his private affirmations which is statements you repeat to yourself men are your slaves and in the 1952 lecture the 20th lecture of the philadelphia doctorate course he says we have ways of making slaves here further on in this statement andy nolch says that i was brainwashed by scientology so brainwashing is i’m not sure what the problem is here and why that would change our opinion of you know anything else that i’ve reported about scientology he just exaggerates things again and again he will you know keep repeating this idea um just keep going till you hit red i made a note of some of the outrageous things that said but he doesn’t share a single one of them with us he was one of the most passive aggressive people he’s got a lot of anger there smiles a lot that’s not a smile i’m sorry like compulsively smiles you do compulsively smile but you do it because you’re trying to hide your anger he’s trying to hide he’s trying to get his anger so on that point i’ve i’ve been a smiley sort of chap since i was born um it’s often been noted i smile a lot and i’d like to apologize to andy for doing that yes we’re going to try the stroke up thing now um and um he goes on talks about my very good friend chris shelton i’ve done chris and i’ve done more than 20 shows together chris shelton knows that he’s passive aggressive so i went to chris shelton to forgive me for being trivial i said hey chris andy nolt says i’m passive aggressive and that you know i’m passive aggressive and i got a response i told him i’d be quietly furious if you disagreed with me yes you’d come around and beat him up or something oh quietly passive aggressive progress beat people up he’s so passive aggressive that he’d be frightened not to say that yeah i certainly do it very well thank you so he um chris came straight back and he said no you’re not passive aggressive i used to live in minnesota i know what passive regressive looks like and just in case anybody thinks this is because it gave him money he did then venture a criticism of my behavior yes you uh what he said that just a lovely expression which basically means i i’m gabrielas yes i talk a lot use dish gallop carelessly it’s true i d i do talk a lot but i don’t unlike andy notch i don’t say the same thing over and over again i am actually trying to add information and i you know it could be a psychological thing with me that i like to finish things i mean you should see him off camera he can do it for 10 hours then when we’re not recording him so i don’t think he does kiss your calendar in front of the camera oh compared to what he does in private i like talking i like listening yeah i like listening i’ve never never had a you know what will often happen in the conversation is somebody will interject something i’m not quite finished what i’m saying i’ll pick up that point then there’ll be another interjection and i will it’s just a habit of mind and it might be indicative of a relation to asperger’s syndrome which i do not have but i also systematize which is another aspect of it i also have an unusually good memory so i have characteristics and one of them is liking to finish a point and i think that can be awful sometimes listener but but when my good friend bonnie woods who worked with me for three years fairly intensively when it was said to her that somebody had said that i talked to him too much she said i was the best listener she’d ever met yes absolutely that’s true and uh i’ve known garrulous talkers who could put you to sleep through their talking whereas your stuff’s very interesting thank you most kind and what about angry now you’ve known me for 19 years how many atlas of anger have you seen in that time how many people have i hit oh no no um you know do i shout no no um do you get the impression that i’m angry that i’m a passive-aggressive angry person no no not at all no so get the impression that if you were an angry person you could be very intimidating but i’m just mildly intimidating at the moment at the moment i bash people you don’t need to be angry or angry sorry so unlike andy nolch i cannot claim to be a jesus buddha chill that sort of person i do get annoyed yeah if i slapped you right now you probably i will i will retaliate i warn you i i’m a a pacifist but if anybody comes with me or my children so if i slap myself um so passive aggressive now and let’s pick up on this point i i do what about eight hours of interviews with the guy all he had to do was come to me and say look i’ve written this list of things that i’m not happy about let’s talk about it instead of witchy issues of video yeah in a secret closed-door youtube thing and on he’s definitely he’s arrogant passive aggressive so i’m not just passive aggressive american yes uh john atech believes in vaccines and global warming so that’s just ridiculous i mean the world where we still have polar caps if you go down to the beach the water is still at the same level right so again this is a difference of category that he’s criticizing the accuracy of my work on scientology and because i am assured that vaccines work because i do indeed believe the global warming is taking place i can’t be trusted which is to say if you don’t believe what i believe i’m not going to consider your evidence so on vaccines i’m currently actually finishing a book by brian dear called the doctor who fooled the world which is about andrew wakefield who was formerly a doctor until he was struck off by the general medical council this book goes into tremendous detail dear was the journalist who researched wakefield over a period of years and indeed he was asked by the general medical council to be present and in short what happened is that andrew wakefield was a mid-level gastroenterologist who had no patience and was working at the royal free hospital in london he went to a lawyer called bar and set up provisions for a court case a class action where the parents of children with autism would sue because their children had been infected by measles by being given the measles mumps rubella vaccination before he had a single case he’d gone to a lawyer they raised 55 000 pounds from the legal aid board by deceptive means as they didn’t actually have any evidence he then did a study of 12 children that study has been rejected because it was faked the lab equipment was used at comb hospital in ireland was not properly run and it’s this has been taken apart in court cases in this country and in the us wakefield sued brian dear he dropped the suit in the uk in england before proceeding um and the court held that it seemed that the suit was filed to try and silence the journalist and i believe he lost the case in the u.s there is no doubt that his work is false it is not supported in the medical community at all and brandi so i would ask this one thing andy read brian dear’s book and then send me the evidence that you have that supports your idea but i’d also like to say andrew wakefield has become the center of the anti-vaxx movement but andrew wakefield already filed patents for his own measles vaccine so he is not an anti-vaxxer he was actually trying to get in he made hundreds of thousands of pounds from the cases that that were brought because he was paid as a consultant he is a charlatan i’d also suggest that anybody who is an anti-vaxxer looks at the period of the 1870s when smallpox was rampant there was a massive anti-vaccine movement seven states in the u.s were forced out of uh compulsory vaccination laws the compulsory vaccination law was dropped in great britain and the term conscientious objector was used for the first time in law not for somebody you didn’t want to fight but for somebody who didn’t want their children to be vaccinated if you look in particular at the 1874 outbreak in sweden where for some reason 90 of the population outside of stockholm were vaccinated but only 40 percent of stockholm population because they’d probably got their own andrew wakefield there were priests and doctors at that time who formed huge anti-vaccine movements in leicester just up the road from here a hundred thousand people met to protest compulsory vaccination in the 1870s if you look at what happened in stockholm it gives you a pretty good indication that vaccination was very safe and very necessary so if we move on sorry i uh andrew wakefield was offered the opportunity to have a gold standard study done that’s correct the the royal free hospital a new head of the hospital came in and one of his 25 conditions for taking over having reviewed wakefield’s work was that wakefield should be sacked so they offered wakefield the choice between basically having a year’s salary and going away or having a complete gold standard test done of his findings he declined the offer so he’s a charlatan global warming up come on we’re going to go down to the beach and see the water level and that’s going to overrule the evidence of thousands of weather stations the photographic evidence from greenland which is where most icebergs are birthed where the glaciers are melting they’re melting in the himalaya the polar ice cap the north pole has been melting and we are now seeing a melt in the south pole that’s just an aspect of it we’re dealing with a situation where more than 97 of the scientists who deal with climate science agree you’ll never get that level of agreement no matter how many government conspiracies you believe in about anything even in mathematics there isn’t a 97 agreement about the three different schools that exist so to find that consensus consensus among tens of thousands of people who have studied the evidence the ice cores and temperature variations that we can see the hockey stick of course disagreement would be subject to scientific testing yeah and has been there’s been a great deal of argument about it so but again it’s irrelevant but what i believe in is is what i say about runner but in scientology true and um if you go down to the beach you’ll find out that it is yeah there’s all these kids that have gotten autism from vaccines right well firstly we’re talking about regressive autism not classical autism so classical autism you’re born with very sadly regressive autism the child develops to a certain level for example starting to to speak and then they lose that development that’s called regressive autism and that’s what andrew wakefield said he believed was caused by the mmr vaccine he was still advocating the use of a measles vaccine of his own devising remember and at a cost of this guy kept registering companies all over the place trying to he even tried to patent the microwave oven as a scientific yes instrument along the way that’s quite a good so there is no supporting evidence there is i feel this is right therefore it’s true or i check the evidence and it isn’t so please andy brian dear the doctor who fooled the world read it and see how you feel at the end of it and again he was offered the opportunity to do a gold standard and he refused yeah so and he’s made loads of money ever since in america he was at donald j trump’s inauguration because a couple of months before trump had tweeted that he was sure that autism not regressive autism that autism was caused by vaccines yes no evidence there’s all these people that are dying from the covered vaccine um i’ve had a vaccine yeah i love dying i’ve had two um one of my friends died from covert 19. um one of my daughter-in-law’s relatives died from it to fake deaths now in the millions you’d need a heck of a government control because we’ve got the internet yeah and we’re talking about reports that are coming from all over the world um so um as to people dying from the covid vaccine i haven’t seen any evidence of that um and at the moment in the uk we’ve had 129 000 deaths here and not from the covid vaccine from covert 19 sars cov 2. yeah yeah been through it carefully i was just thinking too later when he says that he um ignored the coveted rules in his workplace putting lives in danger uh anyway like a lot of us when we got involved with scientology and got brainwashed um he’s like like a lot of us when we got in scientology so he is saying that scientology is brainwashing and his first complaint is that i say that that hubbard said that scientology is brainwashing which he did yeah so and uh he’s saying that because that’s what happened with you you’ve been not only brainwashed by scientology but you’ve been brainwashed and sucked in by the western mainstream society so um but as a skeptic of course that would be difficult yeah only people are not skeptical that get sucked in easily by um ideas he’s still in the cult of the western society not really a cult is a group that has a focus on a particular individual or doctrine by the way by definition the oxford dictionary and i have been protesting western society since childhood um i have always been a sore thumb i’ve always disagreed with politicians i’ve been very vocal about this so i am in no way in the cult of of western society indeed at the moment i’m researching material um about the intelligence agencies which i don’t know if i’ll use it but but i basically believe that the intelligence agencies are the most dangerous cults in the world they’ve caused more damage than any other group and we then go back to groups like the nazis the bolsheviks who yeah because of their belief systems because of the cult of personality caused tremendous danger i’m not one of these people andy no he just hasn’t woken up i think he’s got cognitive dissonance and i’ll take this um dissonance that’s can we use the word cognitive abstinence here cognitive dissonance is not a problem it’s cognitive assonance where you then take that um disagreement and resolve it to something that agrees with your um previous opinion and i am the inventor of cognitive again you are here yes i like it um so when he later says that you’re being fed information by the government on scientology that’s definitely not cognitive essence because he’s not quite sure of you so he’s using false information or made up information to resolve himself to something that already agrees with him rather than properly checking the evidence yeah like reading the reference notes and seeing that half of them are quotes from hubbard and being blue sky and i did write him and suggest some of my papers i was shocked to find out that he’d said you know he loved my stuff and that got him out but he hadn’t read let’s sell these people a piece of blue sky because you know everything else is commentary that and the getting clear conference and the papers the only one he said he wanted to read was hubbard in the ocal everybody wants to know about the black magic um but scientology religion or intelligence agency um possible origins for dianetics and scientology my personal favorite never believe which is a quotation from ron hubbard by the way there’s a quote about raping women right in 1949 writing from savannah georgia and you can find this letter on tony ortega’s underground bunker i would wrote to his literary agent for ackerman i had all of the ackermann letters um and we’ve got a lot of other stuff and he wrote and said that he discovered a technique whereby you could rate rape women and they wouldn’t know anything about it that technique was dianetics and thankfully it’s not true yes but at the time it shows he was not actually using the method that’s in dynamics he was using deep trans hypnosis and if they just lie down and let it happen then jesus and buddha would have left them alone yeah on cognitive dissonance cognitive dissonance is a good thing and i welcome it that when somebody challenges my view and it makes me as as andy has here and it makes me have to think about it and justify and give evidence then that’s good um cognitive distance is a bad thing as sam says when it turns to cognitive assonance where you’re saying well what i already believe is true and as leon festin just said when he gave us the term cognitive dissonance the most researched element of psychology to date i have read thousands of experiments confirming that when somebody strongly believes something then it doesn’t matter how good your evidence is it will actually make their beliefs stronger and that his test case was a woman who was actually a scientologist this is back in the 1950s she had her own living scientology auditor and she channeled messages from an extraterrestrial being um called saturnanda or satnav that’s all right think of it and which said that the mother ship was going to come and take take her and her followers off a hilltop and what festinger predicted and he put a couple of his people into her group was that those that went to the hillside would believe more strongly afterwards those that didn’t would fall away we’re seeing this with q anon at the moment that the core believers still absolutely rigidly and vociferously believe in this abject nonsense q nonsense um uh q a nonsense sorry yes uh didn’t get my punchline out there um but most most of the three million facebook followers have now gone on to chase contrails or chemtrails or so flat earth we predict that this if if notch watches this video it will make him believe what he believes yeah more strongly and that he’ll probably do some sort of ad honorable it’ll be like a super faulty calculator super passive aggressive yeah we weren’t going to do the australian accent oh yeah so that’s all right i didn’t even notice um yeah should we talked about the world’s number one clear which was i can’t do john mcmaster in an australian voice john mcmaster and i think he said he was a horrible person or something i’m taking careful notes or something i can’t do anything with that because he said trump was a horrible person trump was freaking awesome trump was freaking awesome um yeah uh world’s number one clear all right the the world’s first real clear according to ellen hubbard in 1965 was john mcmaster i interviewed john um for three hours on two occasions so i have six hours of interviews with him i didn’t say he was a horrible person or something i suggested that he was not clear and that he was an alcoholic and i have no doubt of that i met him on several occasions so because he doesn’t like trump i can’t believe anything he says here we are again this is not really rational um you then get into george orwell and he he says he didn’t like 1984 that much now what i said to him was that and i’ve been recommending 1984 in fact in my book opening our mind do you recommend yeah yes if you agreed go and buy 10 copies um yes and 10 copies for your neighbor yeah and everybody you know no 10 copies for us as well yeah we’d like that opening our minds actually does recommend you know and republished last week recommends 1984. i’ve recommended it to many people um robert vaughn young who announced hubbard’s death was the top of scientology pr in the us he thanked me for recommending the book and said that it was the very model of the sea organization that it described the sea organization and in a so what i was saying is it’s it’s his last book um published in 1948 which is why the eight and the four were reversed to make eight eighty-four there’s no that’s the significance of the number he wasn’t actually predicting it and it didn’t actually come true but it’s his last book he was very ill by this time he was nigh unto death and a very heavy smoker who had tuberculosis not a good idea it’s a very difficult period for him and the book is not well finished it’s not as well written that was my only criticism indeed the appendix to 1984 i recommend as did margaret singer above almost anything else in terms of understanding how language can be used to trick people into believing things or to exclude them from understanding things or i don’t talk crime as induced by um the cult of confession as lifton would put in groups that make you confess things and constantly check your own thought which was definitely done by the chinese communist system absolutely the self-criticism method devised by mao zedong or hotseat as it’s now sometimes called is a deplorable method of breaking an individual down so you can control them and we have a video on that which we presumably talk about we have presumably talked about 1964. so what i was saying was i i’ve i actually did count before doing this video i’ve read 12 of george orwell’s books and i hold to what i said 1984 is clumsy in comparison to coming up for air keep yeah flying down and out in paris and london um animal farm uh his various books of essays and in one of those essays he says this is an essay called why i write every line of serious work that i’ve written since 1936 has been written directly or indirectly against totalitarianism a word that was invented shortly before 1936 and applied to mussolini and it’s a portmanteau word it collapses the word total and the word authoritarian totalitarian or totalist so that was all well’s you know every line of serious work from 1936 to his death which i believe at the beginning of 1950 directly or indirectly against totalitarianism so he goes on to say it’s probably the best book ever written and he then goes on to say he was an intelligence officer george orwell well that’s not true in 1949 shortly before he died george orwell prepared a list of notable writers and other persons he considered to be unsuitable as possible writers for the anti-communist propaganda activities of the information research department a secret propaganda organization of the british state under the foreign office that was his only involvement that i’ve been able to find so he wasn’t an intelligence officer but he did spy on his friends this becomes invidious and there’s been a lot of argument about it because for example he not only said that stephen spander the poet would not be suitable as a writer he informed this intelligence agency that he was gay which was a criminal behavior at the time considered criminal and in 1984 it ends with the main character’s trust of the female main characters um left her trust of her being completely broken that you can no longer trust anybody yeah after you’ve been tortured which seems to be what he’s doing to his own friends seems to yeah well he yeah he’s he’s basically informing he’s grassing up his friends and but you know unlike andy nolch i’m i’m not going to say well he did that so therefore nothing he said is worthy everything he said is worthy animal farm 1984 the famous politics in the english language which all journalists read although it says to use the shortest word yes which churchill also said and you should use the word that is the communist word if you want to get over so rather than saying a jot a tittle a moat or an iota which are all pretty short words you’d say a particle so if you were my wife i drink it sorry yes that one goes backwards doesn’t we have to tell now we have to tell churchill was a dinner party and a woman turned to him and said if you were my husband i would put poison in your coffee to which churchill replied and if i was your husband i’d drink it which is he was a funny old boy so not an intelligence officer it says it’s well written it’s perfectly written it’s fantastically written i was comparing it to other books it’s an opinion it’s completely irrelevant to what i say about scientology um yeah let’s not bother with that um he worked at the bbc yep georgia well worked at the bbc the ministry of truth the government propaganda place he knew the shifty stuff they were doing yeah and uh he worked the ministry of truth that that’s that’s amusing because the ministry of truth of course is in 1984 it’s not a part of the british government establishment uh mini truth um so he’s got a little bit of a confusion there he did give a few talks on bbc radio that’s true but the idea that the bbc was government propaganda well to some extent that could be said because during war time of course the government has an influence yes yeah but he was you can read his broadcast there’s nothing about intelligence there’s a book called the war broadcast so and he was only there for a short time his wife did briefly work in uh censorship which is an intelligence activity and gets us confused with our own hubbard later on but we we’ve got the material about that when we come to it yeah notch is basically saying that he’s doing it to criticize the um english government rather than just totalitarianism so yeah he seems to think that 1984 was was written about the british government it’s not clear but but it’s of course just as with animal farm it’s written about um stalin’s russia and uh orwell was a lapsed communist he was somebody who had believed in the communist cause then went and fought in spain and wrote the book amish catalonia about that and changed his mind gradually so that he became more kind of center socialist member of the labor party right here’s a self-defeating statement uh which is you can’t criticize 1984 yeah he he tells us that we’re not allowed to criticize 1984 i don’t think george orwell would have approved of that sentiment and there there’s something interesting here i i i’ve often i say recommended 1984 but alongside it i recommend orders huxley’s brave new world which was published in 1932 so before the second war and huxley i think in 1954 somewhere there wrote a book called brave new world revisited so i would recommend andy that you read brave new world because that gives you the model that’s actually going on in the world 1984 the repressive authoritarian state that collapsed in the ussr i hope it will collapse in china as well i hope there’s authoritarianism collapses all around the world fascism as i tend to label it and that democracy will will be a possibility for future generations um but i would strongly recommend reading brave new world revisited after reading brave new world that they’re easy books to read well written better written than 1984 in my opinion actually compares the two models and crows a little bit basically saying you see now yeah 1984 is not what we have to fear it’s brave new world where people are happy taking their soma or prozac or whichever drug we want to name it um and don’t rebel against uh the state uh george lucas’s thx-1138 um i roulette his first movie ireland’s um what’s it called the day uh levin’s novel about you dystopian novel oh this perfect day this perfect day um also well worth reading but um there’s plenty of it um okay you also said that howard didn’t write any of his books i didn’t say that i said hubbard wrote dianetics the modern science of mental health but thereafter science of survival and the following two books were ghosts written by richard demille scientology 8.80 was ghost written by alfie hart there’s a credit to him in it thereafter every book was compiled by john sanborn from 1954 to 1978 but if you look at the books most of them admit to being compilations of lectures or extracts so uh fundamentals of thought a new slant on life problems of work eight point eight zero um eight eight thousand 8008 0.8 phoenix lectures notes on the lectures from the titles you get somebody else has put these things together when you get the earlier editions and i do have many of the other editions that person will be named so alfie hart richard demille so um my point was even when you got to mission earth the 10 volume mission earth that was actually completely rewritten by robert bunyan before it was published and it had some dreadful things in it in my interviews with with vaughan for example hubbard had a character and a native american called tight [ __ ] and thorn managed to get rid of that so we also know that hubbard didn’t redraft stories when he wrote pulp stories and poured them out into many different names there’d be a first draft the only other writer i know of who did this was ryder haggard and it’s a bad mistake you know you should read your stuff but i think his attention deficit meant that hubbard had real trouble in concentrating he had to be stimulated and excited by things all the time so found it all but impossible to review his own work which led us to the point in scientology where you have a policy letter called technical degrades which is on all the so-called major courses where he says nothing he said can be cancelled and if he contradicts himself you can’t say this was said more recently than that to determine it and the contradictions are a river but you can read um let’s sell these people a piece of blue sky by various papers um yeah is it fair to say that you could make an argument dismissing hubbard just from hubbard quotes oh i have done there you go and it’s also why it’s better to buy let’s sell these people a piece of blue sky than the original piece of blue sky because it’s unexpected i put back the 60 quotations that i’d had to paraphrase so you can see what hubbard said and i added quite a few more i think about 40 more these come from his private journals from letters he wrote and from internal harassment orders guardians office material which are fascinating and these are primary documents this is where rather than somebody said something about this and i agree with them which appears to be the method we’re dealing with here i’m sorry andy you go to the primary documents you you i sent andy the 1938 letter that hubbard sent to his wife his provenance is demonstrated it’s been copyrighted by scientology by author service incorporated indeed uh by norman starkey you can get it from the library of congress so they’ve admitted to it and in this he explains that he doesn’t believe in immortality and that his only goal is to smash his name into history and he disregarded this letter so you’ve got it you know deductive inductive mate right john also doesn’t believe in races i i think the olympics are lots of races going on what’s he talking about there’s the hundred meters the 200 meters the 400 meters the 800 meters aren’t there races why doesn’t he believe in nice and why aren’t the races different for the different raters yes so here’s here’s what he has to say john also doesn’t believe in races which is ridiculous because there’s a bunch of people in japan that look like that uh there’s a bunch of people in africa that look like this there’s a bunch of people in europe that look like that that’s one people the face for clearly there’s races there’s different races and he made the ridiculous leftist statement which lifted that which lefties always make generalities there is no races and it’s like that is just batshit crazy just a ridiculous statement it’s like it’s just so logical it’s ridiculous right we know races because people look different that seems to be the argument japanese people look different african people who look different to european people well a lot of european people look different to european people too spanish people tend to look different to russian people people are people all over the world people are people so let’s take this argument that people look different therefore there are different races of people chihuahua great dane pug bulldog terrier various kinds aberdeen yorkshire fox wirehead collie now these these are creatures that look very different indeed much more different than a japanese person and an african person because of scale that we’re dealing with tiny little chihuahua great big great dane and of course the shih tzu which uh spike milligan rather favored as the dog he used to say on the television these dogs are all of the same race they’re all dogs and they’re all bred from wolves of course genetic diversity is a good thing yeah otherwise you end up with a pug well you start hybridizing down if you narrow a population down into just aryans or nazis then that population will will fade and you’ll start getting the habsburg chin for example you stop getting the cretan response term genetic bottleneck is used for any reduction from a major population to a smaller population yeah a bad thing so i went and found um well actually it found me it was a statement in new scientists um which tends to be tends to be evidence-based though i do have a bit of argument with them about mindfulness at the moment this is from a geneticist adam rutherford who’s at university college london and it’s from new scientist on the 10th of july 2021 page 23. contemporary genetics has unequivocally let’s try that in english contemporary genetics has unequivocally demolished the attempts to use ancestry anatomy and genetics to assert a biological basis for race although people around the world differ the genetics underlying those differences doesn’t correspond to the racial classification that we use today black meaning people of recent african descent covers more than a billion people with more genetic diversity than the rest of the world put together he published a book called how to argue with a racist and might be an idea to read that um so the standard test for species is if two animals can breed together and produce young that are fertile then they’re within the same species so when a horse and a donkey breed they produce a mule and the mule is sterile so they are subspecies of the equine type uh human beings can interbreed successfully and human beings are some of the most um plastic creatures that exist that they can change their own development more than any learn a much wider range of things than any other creature and it takes us because their skin color is different or something like that it’s just ridiculous because they’re capable of educating themselves you’re capable of educating yourself to very high levels so it’s yeah and the the point is you know we’d ask andy to go and get a genetic test to find out what race he belongs to and it will tell him that which bits of his genome come from where and adam rutherford actually puts forward the point of view that even in um cracked the classical times in greece and in rome there would be aboriginal genes present that human genome has spread and intermixed so thoroughly not helped by genghis khan yes damn him um and we’ve all got a little bit of him in there but that this intermixture continues now his i’m gonna have to call this racism andy here is his justification his argument we’re using genetics and comparisons of the genome and the point i put him in one of our conversations is that 238 000 years ago there is a common ancestor this was found by i think 147 placentas from around the world would were tested for their mitochondrial dna that is to say a bacterium that lives within human cells and it has a time period so you can actually measure when things happened and they went back and they found a common ancestor for all 147 babies born all around the world into different what he would call races at 238 000 years she’s known as the mitochondrial eve i’m told there is work that questions this but you know i i’ve not read that scientifically we should do that i just like to add also that cultural diversity is also a good thing in terms of evolution having lots of different if you take average blockers model culture influence back into genetics so having a large range for that sort of selection is also a good thing yeah so you know the kind of blue-blooded notion or nazism it really isn’t true you the egyptian pharaohs used to marry their sisters didn’t do them a lot of good frankly um but here is andy’s argument about race there are blacks who are great at basketball in american football they’re also not good at swimming but whites in europe are pretty good at swimming but not as good as the blacks at uh basketball and football white guys can’t jump there’s clearly differences between races there’s also iq testing the average aboriginal iq was like 65. okay we’d like to stop there and ian give us evidence that the average aboriginal iq was like 65. um i whoo we’re into a place there firstly iq testing is not an adequate way of testing human beings um a book called the mish mis on it today the mismeasure of man um it’s not me i’ve alliterated that by stephen j gould gould was a professor in three subjects at harvard and in this book he demolishes the notion of iq testing um basically saying the the army alpha test which was used from um on cons and conscripts and soldiers going up to europe from the u.s in 1917 and 1918 devised by a man called otis who will be coming back to i’m sure that that test when he gave it to his graduate students at harvard so the top percent of the top one percent or whatever they’re meant to be the clever lot um they all failed it um an iq test runs its average at 100 always uh [ __ ] i think is 80. he later accuses me of being one um and an idiot is 54 on those scales the man who first devised iq testing after a binay in france said they could not be used these tests to measure any individual against any other they were to be used to measure the progress of one individual and they were particularly for for people with learning difficulties so the idea of general intelligence i question so let’s also look at this slur against the aborigines who is saying are all sub-morons or that they average out of some carried this as well i was watching something on abc the other day and it was shown in aboriginal and he couldn’t read some letter that he got from the government or something and he’s like they’re just their iq is that low that’s just in their gene pool they’re a different race they can’t learn they struggle to learn how to read you know and some races have high abilities like asians when it comes to math repeat itself yeah somewhat um so on the point of aborigines um i i disagree absolutely with what he’s saying here calling aborigines sub morons i’ve seen aborigines with graduate degrees um talking about their custom culture and i would strenuously recommend venn herzog’s film where the green ants dream and alongside it read bruce chatwin’s song lines and learn about the very special intelligence that aborigines have and are able to show so for example you have the learning of the song lines but he puts with the assertion chat when that an aborigine will have a song line running from one coast to the other of australia and this song is a map that describes all of the features along the way and if you take the song line coming from the other side which will of course be in a different dialect um even a different language we might say i’m not sure how far the many dialects separate and you play it backwards to the first aboriginally they’ll recognize it so we also have the idea that if you have 900 cattle and two of them disappear an aboriginal herder can describe the two that aren’t there so their perceptual level is different he also talks about an aboriginally recognizing the footprint of a friend who he’s not seen for eight years so intelligence these people are able to survive in a fairly barren environment they’ve also somehow managed to survive the depredation and persecution of europeans let’s point out for the record that there was a genocide of the tasmanian people where bounties were paid for murdering tasmanian aborigines during the period in south africa a period of apartheid 38 people 38 black people died in custody and so people all over the world myself included refused to buy south african goods during the same period 180 aborigines died in custody in australia so and we’re dealing here to a large extent with cultural differences um which is an aspect of symbolic evolution um there have been i mean ivan gulagong for example have been very successful aborigines so he then accuses me of making a moronic statement that there’s no difference between the races so let’s say on iq testing i’m not a [ __ ] and he says that he’s not racist yeah and um he’s not a racist but um he just says racist things he criticizes holocaust deniers and a lot of the time the holocaust revisionists they’re trying to revise the history of the holocaust it’s been majorly exaggerated as a justification to set up israel jews just invaded they literally just went in there and just said we’re creating a country they had to say we’ve been bullied for five thousand years they had to exaggerate the holocaust look what the germans did to us there were heaps of jews in prison camps and gypsies they were being used for the war effort like in america the japanese had to be locked up i don’t know who was some jewish council announced an attack on germany so we only had i think you’ve got the old version of this um you should have in your email a newer version this is the last one you sent her it says final on it this is the same one okay run down run down because under holocaust there should be a note which i’m not seeing it’ll be in square brackets that will be in this one yeah i’ll just go back to that that’s not the note i was talking about okay so i’m going to have to pick this up the holocaust is the systematic genocide or extermination of of the jews the romanies and other peoples to say that you are revising the holocaust whe
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