Helen Dale & Mike Graham discuss the Whitest Protest in the World: Extinction Rebellion

Helen Dale & Mike Graham discuss the Whitest Protest in the World: Extinction Rebellion

i live to the east of my place of work so i don’t have to go through central london to get here um but yesterday they closed off the entire area of oxford circus they’ve been shutting down bits of covered garden bits of leicester square i mean that’s what we call the west end i don’t really go there very much to be honest if i was planning a lunch i would definitely not go anywhere near extinction rebellion for fear that i might lash out at these useless individuals who have got no clue about anybody’s actual life and certainly no clue about working people my partner was making the evil suggestion yesterday that the way to the work to treat the ones who’ve glued themselves to buildings is just to get several buckets of ice water and walk down the line and toss the ice water you’re a very naughty person yeah but i mean i i would i would not hesitate to do something like that also the ones who glue themselves to trains i’d be like that’s fine we’ll just keep the trains moving you know you can glue yourself to the roof of a train if you like but it’s going to get a bit tricky when it hits the tunnel but i mean they’re just look posh people playing at being poor and posh people playing at being oppressed has been one of the signature characteristics of quite a lot of the protests that have happened uh when when you get this pale invitation in the uk of of conflicts political conflicts that occur in the united states and uh we all notice that i mean once again a little joke from my partner about can i start making jokes about you know which is whiter and extinction rebellion protest or a black lives matter protest well i mean yeah they’re both awfully wise the one that was very diverse yeah the one that was actually very diverse was the anti-lockdown protest they were all the colours of the rainbow well exactly exactly right there’s nothing worse than an outraged middle-class champagne socialist yes and i do think those criticisms are legitimate hypocrisy is fatal to any individual who makes moral claims of this sort and people are thinking and anyone who thinks oh well extinction rebellion they got caught out owning diesel cars or flying on private jets and i’m just generally being environmental waste rules and behaving in a way that i mean i’m not any sort of particular greenie although i do support conservation like red squirrels and things like that but certainly behaving in ways that i would never do because they’re wasteful um and what you need to remember is things what happens for example i mean we’ve got afghanistan and the news at the moment with all these people claiming to be sincere muslims and at the same time supporting terrorism or women being driven back into the home and so on and so forth so you’ve got that problem it makes the entire religion look bad and rakib eisan i’m not quite sure how to say his name’s been on your show any number of times and has made this point and he is a sincere muslim you know so they know how they look and you get the same problem in the catholic church you have people getting up and trying to tell other people how to behave in their moral behavior you know don’t be gay or don’t or don’t be um you know don’t have an abortion and all of that kind of thing and you get and then you have you had over many decades you’ve got the same problems you have with islam you had all this kitty fiddling and it’s just impossible to take seriously and with extinction rebellion i mean if you are a massive climate change skeptic and think it’s all a load of hui and and use the the nasi uh nicholas talib argument that it’s not possible to forecast the future in a complex system if you take that seriously looking at extinction rebellion completely um fouling the nest of their own cause must make you secretly happy well it must have because i mean the question was being asked yesterday why is it that extinction rebellion are having such little cut through uh to the general population um and because of course it hasn’t helped them either uh that all of the so-called um strides that have been made by the british government were completely castigated by greta turnberg the other day uh who said it was all lies and it was all about clever carbon accounting now i didn’t even know what carbon accounting was until about three years ago um but it shows you that no matter what you do and no matter what you try to do these extremists will say whatever it is it’s not enough and you need to do more and they now also have become quite belligerent um about the cause as such and and and they talk about the science as though it’s all provable science which of course it isn’t and the thing is even if you take their claims at the absolute highest i take zion lights point you don’t actually care about climate change unless you can see that the only solution to let’s put their claims at the highest at the high end of the range which even the ipcc doesn’t go into even if you put their claims at their highest all of this is insoluble without nuclear and to nuclear power and to the extent that they remain opposed to nuclear and it’s i think it’s significant that zion lights would have to leave the organization then none of what they say is worth tuppence no it is i’m sorry it is not worth tuppence and also whenever they now are folded into a chair as they so often are in any kind of intellectual argument because their arguments are so specious they basically say well we’ve got to start somewhere we’ve got to lead the way whenever anybody mentions china to them they go well you know we’ve got to lead the world this latest nonsense they come out with is that we should now own all of china’s emissions because it’s our fault that china’s making things on our behalf that we buy therefore we should add their remissions to ours to make it show that we are actually not doing very well at all i’ve heard quite i’ve heard this argument in the past actually that’s out of rubbish uh yeah it’s just nonsense directed at developing countries saying you’re not allowed to use the technology that was first developed in western countries for them to industrialize and i don’t think that they quite realize what this argument means now you can dislike the chinese government the people’s republic of china it’s an authoritarian state it’s not really communist it’s just i mean they’ve really left the communism behind but they’re horribly authoritarian we’ve seen that in the response to coronavirus we’ve seen it in the way they treat the uyghurs and religious minorities in their country i mean you raise your fist against and you get stopped on in china all of that so i’m not making excuses for the chinese government i’ll foreground that here but you cannot in good conscience go around and tell developing countries vast numbers of their population historically in poverty in the case of china that a lot of them have been pulled out of it or a country like india which is currently going through the same price process that china did but 10 10 15 years ago where its population is coming out of poverty as a result of industrialization you cannot do that in good conscience i’m sorry and people who do i are just alarming especially when they they say oh the way to make up for it is with aid from western countries when we now know that aid is notoriously a form of modern imperialism where they turn up in developing countries and tell everybody there how to live basically that’s right and now of course their latest uh maneuver because they’ve worked out that some of them may in fact have been exposed as hypocrites notably uh that woman who was on with christo the other day who drives a diesel diesel yes they’ve now got a new mantra which is well of course we’re all hypocrites we will just have to do what we can and you go well sorry that’s not really acceptable to me either because you spent the best part of the last four years telling us all how horrible we are for flying anywhere how dreadful we are for driving how we shouldn’t do anything other than walk or cycle uh how we shouldn’t eat meat because it’s damaging the planet you know they’ve now sort of tried to soften their approach i think because i think they’ve worked out that they’re not actually cutting through to anything they’ve worked out that hypocrisy is fatal now yes the claim that everyone is a hypocrite at least some of the time is is true it’s trivially true as lawyers often say we’re all hypocrites i’m a hypocrite and you are no i’m not i don’t refuse to accept that helen i’m definitely not a secretary i’m one of the very few people actually in public life if you call it that uh rather pompously uh who’s not a hypocrite because i do not ever tell anybody what they should be doing i do not tell people how to live i could be critical of them i could say to you i think you’ve done something wrong and stupid therefore you’re an idiot but it doesn’t make me a hypocrite because i don’t do the same thing that i tell other people yeah okay that’s i drive a diesel car i don’t care about saving the planet fair enough but so that trivially true claim is there for a lot of us at least i mean i’m sure there are times in my life when i’ve handed out advice perhaps even as a solicitor and then not upheld it myself yes i’m willing to concede that i can’t remember off the top of my head but i’m sure i have now the problem with that though is that there is a difference between a trivially true claim of um hypocrisy oh don’t say advising someone don’t steal from the employer and then walking out of the office with a company pen in your hand that kind of thing that’s trivially true yes but by the same token we’re not dealing here with little trivialities we are dealing with people zipping around on private jets driving diesel cars that are known to be damaging and we all remember the volkswagen emissions scandal where they were doing the classic virtue signal and trying to make themselves look better than they actually were
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Helen Dale & Mike Graham discuss the Whitest Protest in the World: Extinction Rebellion

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