Politics Today | 29/07/2021

Politics Today | 29/07/2021

[Music] [Music] foreign [Music] following the supreme court judgment and a leaked memo from federal minister vessels qayamo debate over the bunion-led category committee of the party and his future has been right and for my vice president article abubakar has been a river state visiting governor of rivers in some weekend and both are now joining [Music] forces [Music] so [Music] hello everyone and welcome to politics here live on chinese television i’m sure kimberly in lagos tonight very interesting conversations that we have for you but um you need to stick with me because some of these conversations are mostly legal in nature so i will discuss party issues and the state of nation so stay with me everyone where do we begin from let’s begin by telling you about the former vice president atiku abubakar who has expressed the hope that nigerians are becoming more eager to see the people’s democratic party pdp returned to power in 2023 in order to solve the growing security and economic challenges facing the country articles said that he is at the river state government house in puerto rico after a two-day private visit to governor yunsan wiki uh to quote reconcile with the governor on party affairs to ensure that the pdp is united and stable to win the 2023 elections the former vice president described the current situation in the country security situation that is as a worth in more than 70 years of his life well before we go into other matters let’s get you to see some of your political roundup stories [Music] justice opioid guard of the federal high court in abuja has ordered the department of state services to produce the 12 a’s of demo also known as sunday goal the judge issued the order following an appeal by the council to the dss mr eduardo that the service was given another time to comply with the order i’d resume hearing council to dss told the court that they had no intention to keep the detained applicants indefinitely and they could not be producing code due to the nature of their case it has that some of the names on the federal high court order were at variance with the list of those being detained and they had been taken away for verification of facts justice iguata told the dss that they should have produced the detainees in court as he had ordered before giving reasons why they shouldn’t be granted bail court has mandated the dss to produce all the applicants on monday and so this is progress for our glad about it this zamfara state deputy governor maria liu has raised the land that despite the court order restraining the state house of assembly for any impeachment move against him members of the house went ahead to overreach the pending suit and disobey court order by schedlin’s seating to proceed with impeachment proceedings the deputy governor is raising the alarm on the heels of the state assembly members who had given him 48 hours automating last tuesday to appear before them to answer some questions on a large misconduct leveled against him the casino state governor minou belo masala has assured his determination to train new entrepreneurs across the state and enhance their operation to have more hands to work with this is part of his plans towards his publicly announced retirement from politics and public office come 2023 a group of political parties in lagos called the coalition of political parties said they has called the lagos state electoral commission lasse at 90 in last saturday local government elections but frowned at a turnout of voters seeking synergy between parties electoral empire civil society agencies to sensitize people ahead of the 2023 elections to avert a reoccurrence of what happened last saturday leave these people leave all these policies to people who don’t have the love of nigeria in heart come and put one of you out support him he’ll be there ahead of the all progressives congresswoman congress across the nation a group in the lagos apc known as lagos for lagos is raising issues on the conduct of the saturday exercise the group held a press conference in lagos today well let’s go into our conversation tonight the first uh one that is and it’s about the leadership crisis in the all progresses congress apc today the national secretary of the chaotic and extraordinary convention planning committee of the apc senator james acquainted has said that the nationwide world congress of the party will go on as shadow to elect party executives and the party says it will not go back on its plans in a statement by the national secretary of the party and a press conference held today he says he’s already inaugurated and delegated responsibilities to members and leaders of the party in conducting supervising monitoring the shadowed world congress also a lawyer of the party and a chieftain of the party spoke at the press conference to clarify the position of the law based on the supreme court judgment of yesterday take a listen i do appreciate the fact that intraparty crisis and tendencies do exist in political parties but people must be bold enough and be courageous enough to act within the ambit of the law you don’t attribute to a judgment what it does not contain you cannot even read into an act what it does not contain there is nowhere in the judgment of the majority where the efficacy of the office of our chairman national chairman was questioned nowhere as a matter of fact if anything what happened was that the judgment of the tribunal that says that the holding of political office i mean apartheid position does not contravene session wisdom of the constitutional assistance it should not be made by anybody our party remain firm the congress of the party will go on as scheduled on saturday insha’allah by the grace of god everything that has been put in place will come to fruition everything that i will put in place by the party will come to future because you can imagine the kind of confusion that the country would have been thrown into if the judgment of yesterday had gone the other way so the judgment of yesterday we spoke with the governor of understand after that judgment and it was victory for the governor of uh undosted rotimi under apc but there is a larger implication of that judgment that judgment uh was a technical one in nature don’t forget the premise in which mr jaggery and the pdp went to court was to say that the bunil led caretaker committee who is not supposed to according to them they’re debating and again that is not supposed to be had gone to anak to submit the name of mr kereidolu and that according to them based on section 183 which i’m going to put to you so that we can have this conversation started uh is that a governor cannot be in another paid uh job at the same time so that is what section 183 of the constitution says it says an accord the governor shall not during the period when he owes office or any other executive office or paid employment in any capacity whatsoever that is the basis but senior advocate of nigeria and the minister for of state for labor versus yamu in a leaked memo i have given the party his opinion on the the law and the implications and was advising the party let me allow you to see in part what mr festus kiamo said he said and i quote the supreme court by uh therefore any other person affected by the actions of the bunny led committee will henceforth not fail to join in in any subsequent case in court this includes any subsequent election matter in any part of this country and all the apc congresses that are about to hold the supreme court has just weaponized all those that will be agreed by the apc congresses to proceed to call to challenge the competence of the brunei led cecpc to organize the congresses and national convention the judiciary will subsequently destroy the entire structure of the party from bottom to top we are lucky the supreme court has just given us a great and useful hint to save our party just before the beginning of our congresses we cannot gamble with this delicate issue the time to act is now and he gave options and part of the options that he gave to the party is for the uh the uh not only that governor bruni but anyone holding any executive position in any government establishment are stipulated in article 7 of the apc constitution should urgently uh uh leave under the cons reconstitution of the community of the apc so tonight i have two gentlemen that are going to be giving perspectives to these i have mr daniel a lawyer and a member of the lincoln’s in he joins us from new york in the united states and from our abuja studio is a former member of the house of reps honorable bernard mikko thank you so much gentlemen for coming tonight let me begin with you uh mr abuela i’ve seen your write-up about the position of uh listening advocate f effector scale um you think is wrong based on section 183 of the constitution oh thank you for having me and good evening to your viewers i find the opinion of francis chairman senior advocate of nigeria quite strange first of all because it was one of the individuals that helped in giving opinion that brought about the caretaker committee in the first place and he held a very strong opinion that the caretaker committee is constituted by law in accordance with the law secondly because he is not just a party stakeholder he is a cabinet member so he has the there is a duty imposed on him to ensure that he you know comport himself with decorum and then address the matter in such a manner that it will not throw the party into political party insurrection now the judgment of the court since the delivery of the judgment there was no problem everywhere was come until his opinion was released and then it sends the people into uh media frenzy but even his opinion is faulted body in fact and in law number one yeah the the concluding part of what he said about the supreme court is completely wrong with the greatest respect because one nowhere did the supreme court uh made a conclusive decision or verdict on the caretaker committee and they are wise about that before what they said was that the justice of the case will not be served if they apply the interpretation of section 183 without joining me bunny that is wisdom why because it is a principle of law that a judgment or a verdict is only a verdict on the marriage where it is an evaluation by the argument evaluation of the court based on the argument of both parties so and the court the justices of the supreme court are no spirit to contemplate what government would say assuming he was joined as a party in the matter that’s number two so that statement of the supreme court in passing has no co-relationship with the executive functions of the character committee but let’s take it even on the merit of the argument if you look at section 183 of the constitution it made clear that a governor will not while holding position in government call another executive position paid or unpaid i am not making the argument on the premise of the fact that he’s a caretaker committee chairman and he’s not paid because even if he’s not paid the word over there was held by the supreme court to mean it is in his disjunctive sense so either you are paid or you are not paid but the real question really is that if you look at section 183 of the constitution and just oppose that with article 17 and sub 4 any time a dispute arising from a political party comes to the court the court will never make a conclusion until in their decision they are able to evaluate the constitution of the party so you cannot read section 183 in isolation you have to just suppose that with article 17 sub 4. and article 7 also made clear that you cannot hold executive position on another position concurrently but the contemplation of both section 183 and article 17 sub 4 is based on article 17 sub 1 which talks about 10 not position so the contemplation of the constitution and the article is in reference to a position that is turned on by statutes now whether you’re running for governorship you run for four years and then you give yourself again for another re-election for under four years without poor in a political party you run for executive position it’s for four years and then you throw yourself back again for another four years without more in this case the caretaker committee is not going to serve for four years and so that position or that function is not turn out it is a creation of the neck acting under its capacity on behalf of the convention they created a committee and the committee are performing a specific tax towards the convention therefore they do not fall within the contemplation of 183 and 17 or four it is not an executive position in the real sense of the world because it does not contemplate these sections so let me let me quickly jump in quickly before i bring mr honorable mikko into the conversation so if you look at the judgment of the supreme court which might be cited in any case because it’s now going to join in the committee of our laws now it’s not like the justices if at the majority of the justices uh the minority of the justice of of the judgment yesterday indicates that um governor bala malam buni should not be the one submitting the name of the governor to for the election but the the majority judgment does not look like it counters that but the question was that governor booney was not joined in that suit because of the immunity that covers the governor so it’s not as if they disagree on section 183 which binds on this matter but because governor bunny was not joined so it was on a technical ground no the position of the supreme court is first of all they cannot make comment on the merit or the merit of the legality of gov nobody until they are able to hear him that is the principle of natural justice so in other words they are trying to say that if governor buny was joined then we would have been able to properly evaluate the argument and arrive at a decision and but what i’m saying is that even if gov nobody was joined the supreme court will not have arrived at that conclusion that governor bunny’s functions are illegitimate why because i told you 183 and 17 so four all contemplate a 10 not position of nominee is not occupying a 10-0 position by statutes now the turnout position by statutes is the running of office for four years are renewable for another four years so now assuming nick appointed this character committee and give them a time that is four years or more then they are acting contrary to the provisions of the constitution and that of the party let me bring in honorable mikko honorably you have also you sent out a position you written a position on this matter let me hear your view on uh you you you seem to have a side with um festus que llamo on this matter yes let me thank you for having me you know this uh provision of section 183 of the 1999 concession has amended is well known to stakeholders of the party even before this time but the apprehension was whether raising it was going to rob the boat until supreme court came out and i recommend festus kiamo of bringing this to the fore not on the first of the other signal lawyers have spoken in the same vein our prayer is that let our congresses not be dragged to an extent where we go back to the same supreme court that have raised this red flag before now reading articles of a provisions of article 17 of the party’s conservation in conjunction with the is now construction i don’t think is the right thing to to do you cannot bring parties construction and read it alongside the constitution of the federal republic of nigeria we are worried in the party that if we allow it the way it is to grow actors upon in other states that standing something on nothing would never stand that is our fear and the advisory given by festus kiamo i am inclined to that advisory based on the fact that we stand good chances of winning the 20-23 general election i think the pdp which is in opposition now would not be happy that this fat was giving out too early they were waiting for the party to make these mistakes then they dragged us to court but thank god that we are now aware that these are the dangers lying ahead and we can advertise now by going back to drawing ball and doing the recommendations that uh would advert this scenario could should there be any kind of worry because from the position of mr boiler and what is explained it does look like it is a false panic it is uh there was a panic that was not necessary because according to his position he’s saying it’s not valid the the panic is not valid and the position of mr keamo is not valid in law should your party need to panic but in any case you ask yourself the word congress is already going on is the position of a another position of chemo no position of boiler you know can be held at the position of the supreme court but what i’m saying that it it potential great danger if we can avert this kind of situation that is confronting us today it has happened in reverse it where the entire political process was shut down so if there is anything we can do now to avert this danger i think you need to be helpful to the party as a political party we want to win elections and be in government not otherwise and if we have been warned we have been tipped off at this level i think we can go back without beginning to speculate or contemplate what will happen at the supreme court nobody knows how it’s going to go if we are dragged before the court again there are some suggest suggestions that were made by mr kayamo how visible are these suggestions because the neck which is perhaps the second highest organ of the party after the national convention may be smooth and they thought it was looked at the bodies of law and they thought that it was necessary for an intermediary as uh uh takeover of the party for an extraordinary position to allow the affairs of the party through the crisis but the options that mr kyamu has put forward how feasible are these options yes he has put up his own options as to the way forward other party stakeholders they can meet and discuss the matter and say look we have had this situation before in 1993 chief energon in the aftermath of the announcement of june 12 election was appointed in an interim capacity as a chairman of interim national government you know to help the country while also holding position as an executive in the rear door shell and if you go back to that that scenario you begin to wonder under contravene section 138 of the nigerian concession so if you go back to that you begin to wonder when the constitution is explicitly clear about what should happen in the case of a governor and what should happen in the case of the president so what we are saying with the party we are the same party we are not nobody hates the interim a catholic committee that has been appointed they’ve been doing a good job and we commend them for the great job he has been doing we are saying that let these issues be brought to the fore and let nobody dismiss views of anybody as to how we can secure our victory in 2023 right miss about let me bring you back into the conversation let me allow you to respond to what mr mikko said there are several options or about two options that uh mr cayamo has put forward do you agree with some of the options do they look like the way to go for the party well first of all some of the things he converts as options are not revelation already the party is working towards the convention already the party has amounted for congresses already the extraordinary caretaker committee is working towards perfecting the constitution of the party in fact had even introduced an idea of constitutional amendment that will better shape the party towards 2023 so there is no evidence to suggest that the functions and activities of the extraordinary committee has been contrary to the provisions of the constitution or to the interests of the party let me say for the opt-in time the caretaker committee let’s say as in the case of the governor he cannot wire his whole position as governor go to the congress and run for the position of the national chairman or any other positions of the party that is the contemplation of law he cannot run for a 10-0 statutory position then all other committee members but the convention is the highest authority of the party now if you look at article 13 and the convention the national executive committee is the second highest decision-making body of the party but our constitution says that the national executive committee can carry out the functions and duties of the convention in between conventions in other words neck is an interim convention every functionality of neck is consistent with the powers of convention now acting under its power they created this extraordinary caretaker committee to prepare for the convention that is consistent and that is lawful the caretaker committee are performing the duty as ascribed to it by the neck flowing from the authority that they received from the convention now i told you 183 and i told you seventeen so four they all contemplate a statutory position that is turned out for four years you cannot run you can be a governor and also run for a position the national chairman who is a sitting governor is not running to become a national chairman in the forthcoming convention he is not running to carry out any other positions so in the executive position in the forthcoming congress he is acting yeah yeah so sorry i apologize to bot in on your on your line of thought but uh mr m honorable miko made some statements in relation to what a party has seen in the past years in 2019 the experience in river state your party’s name was not even on the ballot in zamfara in biosa the party has been beaten like it’s uh as if he had a scorpion uh uh stronger in in that election has the party learned any lesson from all of these legal complications and these technical legal issues cases are determined on their own merits and cases have have to be all forced before you can rely on them that is the principle of law the case in zamfara has no correlation with the present case in question in zamfara’s own there were there were complications arising from primaries and the courthouse that there was no valid primaries therefore there was no participation of apc it does not apply here here mem officers duly appointed by the neck are performing the duties as required now let me tell you the conclusion the confusion is that just like irani said they created a false alarm what the supreme court did not say was what was reflected in the opinion of faces kiamo supreme court can never reach a conclusive decision on a matter that they do not hear the parties and in any case they are talking about dissenting decision and majority decisions so it has not created any situation where festus que emo and people who share his views are calling for the dissolution of the members so because of a conjured this is all right we are going to close this segment let me get your final view yeah so please sure okay you know that uh the neck of a apc acting on behalf of the national convention gave a tenure an initiating of six months to the character committee that on his own is a tenure and it was extended once and also the second time making it twice so if anybody is insinuating that their administration or of the caretaker company had no tenure i think that is a mistake for the fact that they didn’t run for office for an established tenuous envy stage by the concession that does not mean that their administration is always open-ended it has a fixed tenure even if it has been extended twice so the administration had a tenure what we are saying is that this is a red flag that has been raised and look at the situation in rivers where i come from the same thing happened and it was shut down at the we hour of the election and nothing could be done and today we have no single candidate or officer in any form of representation from river state either in the national assembly or or in the status and even a local government so we are pleading with the party that this is an opinion that could be looked at rigorously while we find ways of moving forward because it would be too dangerous for everybody after winning the election in 2023 to not face this kind of a all right on a rubicon we yeah all right so mr mr boiler if you have 10 seconds your final word we need to go now well first of all uh professor scalemo if he has an opinion he ought to have written a memo to the chairman or to the president or to the party that has a legal department but he chose the party has chosen he has his own reason for doing that but whichever way you put it it is flawed in law because it is not substantiated by the relevant provisions of the law that anytime we talk about 10 it must be statutory it must be 10 or that is in status member of the lincoln team thank you so much for your time and honorable bennett mikko a former member of the house of representatives is a pleasure seeing both of you thank you so much gentlemen we take a break now and our next conversation will be with mr femi falanow a senior advocate of nigeria and we’re going to be getting his views on human rights in nigeria and the citizens right stay with us everyone we’ll be right back [Music] thank you so much everyone for staying with us right here on the program just before i bring in my next guest whom i’ve introduced to you mr femi fellaini let’s tell you what is happening or what happened today in anambra state in the camp of the people’s democratic party pdp one man that is optimistic about the situation despite all the odds is valentine oh zebo who organized a town all meeting today at that time all meeting was the former governor peter obi and the governorship aspirant valentine oswego is confident that it will emerge the party’s candidate at the end of the day despite the court cases he held a town all meeting in orca today where party leaders in the state led by former governor peter obi were in attendance and they were strategizing ahead of the november sixth governorship election take a listen to him whatever sacrifice i will make personally to make sure we go together trust me and play my own part i want to be the consensus candidate of a greater majority valentine uziba there so let’s switch now and discuss some issues relating to legal matters and of course the rights of nigerians we’ve seen a lot of agitations in the land from those who are agitating for yoruba nation to those who are agitating in the southeast region of the country but exactly how do we tame all of these agitation if we think that being together as a people is the right thing to do the unity of this country they always say is not debatable i have mr femi falana here who is also the lawyer to uh sheikh el zazaki who are in cardinal state yesterday caught discharged and acquitted himself and his wife mr femi falana joins us from ikeja jre ikeja area of lagos thank you so much uh cine advocate femi falano for joining us tonight i mean we followed the al zazaki case but it has a larger implication under the law and of course in the case of civil unrest and human rights in nigeria let me get your your take on this what has happened over the last few years on sheikh al-zazaki well yesterday the cardinal state high court um the charge and acquitted them on the basis of our local submission following the service of the warrant of release on the prison authorities or the authorities of the cardinal correctional center they were this i mean both uh sheikh ibrahim ezekiel zaki and his wife madame zenat were released and they are currently enjoying their enjoying their freedom they have been released contrary to expectations of many people because many people have been calling me since yesterday oh are you sure they are going to be released with this government to be the order of the court but i can say without any fear of contradiction that you know they have been released the authorities of the correctional service of nigeria complied very promptly promptly with the court order and so uh i i think it’s a good development having regards to the fact that since december 14 2015 the couple had been detained initially under i mean by the state security service and when caught and on december 2nd 2016 the federal high court ordered their release and awarded damages of about 50 million error to both of them the federal government treated the orders of the court with contempt absolute contempt of course the shiites mounted prayer on the government by protesting on the streets of abuja in the process many of them were killed and at the end of the day the government felt the protests were becoming a source of embarrassment and that was why the cardinal state government decided to charge the couple with some you know and it can’t you know i took them to court on a naticon church but as i’m saying by yesterday uh the court ruled that there was no basis for them to have been put on trial hence they caught open our no case submission so as i said they are now they have they have been freed so i mean yeah that brings me to a very critical matter right human rights is very fundamental in our laws and for our society to thrive also people’s voices need to be heard and their rights need to be protected well how do we tame extremism perhaps what is the place of the law what does the law say about the extreme tendencies in people expressing their views or their rights well by virtue of the provisions of chapter four of the 1999 constitution and the african chapter on the men and people’s rights uh nigerians and indeed all persons living in our country are entitled to fundamental human rights but we’re in a very perilous time whereby we are being told by top government officials particularly the attorney general minister of justice mr abubakar malami san we have been told that human rights are not important and that national security take precedent over human rights and the rule of law uh for me you know we profound respect rights cannot cannot give way to national security because you must look at the totality of national security that’s not about the security of the people in power it’s about the security of the country hence section 14 subsection 2 subsection b of the constitution provides that the security and welfare of the nigerian people shall be the source of uh the primary purpose of government the question does not say the security of the government but the security of the nigerian people of course there are officials of the government like the president and the governors who are also part of the security of the nation you know they represent you know part of the security of the nation hence any attempt to remove them from power or to attack any of them are either classified as treason or treasonable felony because they also represent the state and that also means that they must represent the interests of the entire people of the country and ensure that they take oaths of office on their inauguration to respect the constitution to respect chapter four of the constitution and chapter two of the constitution in particular and so if they or any official of the government or any agency of the government violates the rights of nigerians you have to go to court and once the court has given a judgment or giving an order no authority has the power in nigeria to decide oh we are not going to obey this order because we consider in our own office that oh this judgment of a cut is not in consonant what we feel what we think is national security and if you maintain that position you are violating section 287 of the constitution which provides that the judgments of our court the decisions of properly constituted a court shall be binding on all authorities and persons in nigeria in the case of the izakizakis between december 2016 and may 2018 when they were now arraigned before a higher cut in caduna still the government could not defend the reckless infringement of their rights to liberty and for me this is a warning to all of us that we need to respect the rights of people because sometimes you may also be the victim you may be a victim of human rights violation it has happened to people in power who were detaining people you know frivolously i was detained in 1985 but by the time the president or general muhammadu buhari accident was was arrested and detained for three years his deputy delayed generation they are detained for three years by the ibrahim babangida janja we had to rally around ourselves those of us in the human rights community now we’re standing that we have been brutalized under that regime to insist that we have to we have to demand for the release of these two gentlemen and our position then was that if we allow the babangida junta to detain a former head of state and his deputy and we simply keep silent what will happen to the rest of us and so we demand them for their release and they were they were so released so each of us would need human rights we need to approach the court to protect our human rights that that perhaps also because uh what happened on the sideline of the global education summit that president buhari is attending in the uk brings me to the issue of extremism that i was asking earlier um at that meeting there were conversations between president muhammadu buhari and the prime minister of the of the united kingdom boris johnson and that both leaders agree that judicial process should run its course and it was part of the review and the process and the conversation that they had that uh the war against different forms of terrorism in nigeria should pass judicial process and be allowed to run its course and president buhari also asked prime minister boris johnson that they need help of britain in fighting uh terrorism and also in achieving food security in nigeria and simply had a prime minister told uh president that quote we are available to help so i i like to to to ask mr falana we’ve seen different kinds of agitations in the country from the sunday bowl to inaudible to how do we tame this agitations again the question of human rights is involved here personally i am strenuously opposed to the uh campaign for the balkanization of nigeria i don’t get any clients you know because i believe that the masses of our people are oppressed by the ruling class and imperialism and to that extent i have a fundamental disagreement a fundamental ideological disagreement with those who are calling for a breakup of the country a long ethnic line but but the law has imposed a duty on the government and the rest of us to respect the rights of such people in fact article 20 of the african charter or numerous people’s right act provides i mean guarantees the right to self-determination so if a group of people decides to fight for a breakup of the country the duty of the government is to try as much as possible to convince them to impose reports confidence in the corporate existence of nigeria but you cannot criminalize their demand because it is not a criminal offence in nigeria to demand to make separatist demands governments officials at the level of the presidency and the level of the governance are making separatists demands when recently president muhammadu buhari ordered the attorney general to go around looking for grazing roots and the country never the entire country never had grazing roots but that as far as the law is concerned as far as i’m concerned it was a separatist demand justice just one minute uh mr falana i i i like us to uh fix uh some of the technical issues that we are having we take a break and when we come back i allow you to continue on that thought stay with us everyone we’ll be right back thank you so much everyone for staying with us uh mr femi falana is still with us in advocate of nigeria apologies mr falano for breaking uh into your thought i just wanted us to be able to see you so that we can be able to connect to what you saying and that thank goodness we have been able to fix that issue so please continue on that line of thought yeah i’m saying that when governors and other political leaders demand that the presidency of the country be rotated along regional lands whether the presidency should go to the north or the south that is a separatist demand and so when young people are also influenced by the ideas of the ruling class to make separatist demands we just have no business criminalizing their actions but be that as it with respect to mr nambi i did say to the government if you want to bring him back to the country please file a request and asked the british government to file extradition proceedings to bring him back at the time it was found in kenya one would have expected our government to request the kenyan government to initiate extradition proceedings because among the commonwealth member states there is a treaty between kenya we have a treaty and so in the case of but what were told was that it was abducted and brought to nigeria contrary to international law and contrary to the domestic law of kenya in the case of sunday boho again despite my disagreement with him i came out to see you cannot just throw him into a waiting plane as we’re told was attempted you have to go to court you have to make a request on the international law under the aqua’s convention on extradition the government of nigeria is requested to submit an extradition request toward the government of benefit and so when our planet potentially generally yusuf brought i retired you know who at that time had not even submitted these letters of credence asked for uh uh that uh ibrahimovic handed over to him he was so sorry we operate the rule of law here and that is why that matter is still in court now the point i was making and i’ve made the point today with respect to the request of the american accord an american call for the arrest of a commissioner of police mr uh abakiri i have expressed the view this afternoon that if he does not surrender himself since he claims that he’s innocent of the allegations the united states government will have to submit a request to the government of nigeria to extradite him to the united states because there is a treaty between nigeria and the united states which covers the offences alleged and once that request is received the attorney general will have to file extradition proceeding in the federal high court so we have to show we have to demonstrate that we are part of the civilized community a committee of states and that is the only way we can be respected all right and unless we respect the rights of our people and the human rights of people in our country we are going to be embarrassed continuously and that is what has just happened in the united states where a senator has moved the motion that certain weapons uh aircraft should not be sold to nigeria because of gross human rights violations so uh mr falano we are we’re due to close now uh if i in the next 20 seconds we are totally out of time but i wanted to just point out that the the federal government has not come out to say how they brought enam the candle into the country and the government of kenya has come out to say no it was the case is not exactly the way it’s been uh reported about how it was taken from kenya um but just in 15 seconds where do we go from here how do we resolve this matter a political conversation just 15 seconds no what the the what were told by the government was that there was an international collaboration among security agencies and as far as the law is concerned because interpol was mentioned the power of interpol does not go beyond issuing a red notice and asking security agencies in any country to arrest a person wanted by another country or in his own country and once that is done interpol does not get involved in the repatriation because the arrest is pending extradition pending legal surrender is very embarrassing for kenya and that is why kenya cannot say oh this gentleman was arrested in our country but uh the british guardian newspaper had already traced nadikanu’s passport british passport told the territory of kenya and that has not been denied and that was a long way to confirm that he was actually abducted in kenya the government of nigeria cannot admit that we abducted him and they say was intercepted the government of kenya cannot admit that it was abducted in their territory all right got the human rights community in that country we take it up with the government nobody is saying that a criminal suspect should not be brought back to the country much so somebody who has gone bail but he has to be brought to the country back to the country under the rule of law mr femi fallen as senator advocate of nigeria it’s a pleasure having you speak on these national issues thank you indeed for your time appreciate it well that’s our show for today everyone many thanks for watching i’m sure okay bye bye you
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Politics Today | 29/07/2021

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