Rare European Silver Coin Show & Tell – 17th-19th Century Numismatics With Curt Gammer

Rare European Silver Coin Show & Tell – 17th-19th Century Numismatics With Curt Gammer

hey everybody how’s it going christian from treasure town here with kurt gammer from gamer coin we filmed an awesome video about some british coinage and we decided to move on to some standout european non-british coinage so we’re just gonna do sort of a show and tell there’s a ton of cool history that kurt is going to be explaining and i don’t know too much about these coins anyways so uh you know all the viewers out there and and myself what we’ll all be learning so thanks kurt for uh showing these coins thank you for having me christian so i think we’ll start from somewhat the the smallest to the largest here and this one is definitely the smallest but what are we looking at we’re looking at a very thin six denomination astro holy roman emperor we have leopold the first here with his with his laurels he’s definitely emperor weak strike on the face but i don’t collect this coin for the obverse i collect it for the reverse but over we have this great scene of mary with child mary you know mary with jesus the madonna and child 1671 at the very bottom at about six o’clock you can see the coat of arms of the nation of hungary stole their official official coat of arms today and we have madonna we have our face we have jesus’s face got this north star behind her super cool enthroned with sun rays obviously this is not the best condition uh or the best strike but on nicer examples you’ll see a lot more detail she’s holding a scepter and an orb yes and and 1671 i mean that’s a really old coin so is this a uh is this a super expensive coin or what’s the deal here at all for this 350 turns 350 this year uh 15 to 30 dollars in this condition i mean this i mean there are so many undervalued world coins and look how thin this coin is this is by far the thinnest coin i own i have a decently large sized collection for me to be oh this is my biggest this is my thinnest it’s got to be extreme i mean this is i have fingernails that are thicker than this one yeah no i mean it’s uh it’s a great reminder there’s so many affordable pieces that’s one of the reasons i like looking at world talking about world on the channel like if this was a u.s coin from you know 1700s all that stuff is crazy like a pine tree showing yeah yeah pine tree shelling no so so that’s a good that’s a good start this one obviously a lot thicker a lot chunkier in it and it’s got the wilhelm koenig so it’s a whole lot newer too gotcha we have a wurtenberg in southern germany 1862 varennes taller i love this coin i mean awesomely paper toned slider condition great surfaces i love the lighting in this coin yeah it’s uh you know what what sort of context would this have been struck in okay so the the silver was locally mined this could have been issued for a three like a week’s pay depending on how skilled you were for the miner mining the silver and we have oh yeah we have that great uh this is oh god what’s on the edge here it looks like i don’t know he’s talking about they’re talking about where the coin comes from who it is there’s some interesting edge inscriptions this one is kind of run-of-the-mill but on the obverse here we have we have a sort of basic portrait of wilhelm if we just flip it over he does have a mustache this coin is maybe i’m overgrading it at slider but um i love the surfaces on this coin but when you flip it over this is why i love this coin and i and i hunt deer and for this awesome royal stag with the crowned lion with the knights uh helmet with a crown on top of it i mean come on that’s awesome the date 1862 so while the united states was blowing each other to bits with muskets these guys are making awesome coins um we have basically the coat of arms telling him that telling us that he’s from the house of wartenburg and then some other uh nobility house telling you this is my who my grandparents are and how important they are um this is a great coin i mean and any any deer hunters will know that that buck would be a pleasure to shoot yeah you know that i don’t hunt deer but but uh i’d imagine that you know that is a pretty elegant looking stack before we move on to the next coin in terms of the the taller i mean this is a a very well known sort of denomination do you know what the the heinz tala is that like a local taller okay what does that mean so that is actually they did a currency reform in the 1770s and you compare it to the actual taller as i like to call them we’ll touch on this coin a little bit later but look at the difference in size yeah um i don’t really know how to describe it it’s basically the difference between a morgan dollar and a sacagawea dollar okay that makes sense comparison devaluation of the currency yeah a little bit of inflation you have a less valuable coin at in terms of entrance intrinsicity and and uh you know this one again just general price ranges was like 15 to 30 you know what sort of value is this because i don’t want to forget to sort of give people a range 100 to 200 okay nice yeah i mean a very affordable piece of of history um this one it’s a you know this is a chunky piece of silver um it’s you know screams history but maybe you can can fill us in on the rest this is a revolutionary war era louis xv the son of the sun god louis xiv known for building versailles this guy was known for enjoying it quite the party animal this guy was wow uh we got this crown sized coin from the i mean this coin found its way to montreal where i where i sourced this coin could have been used in the colonies awesome die alignment marks and usually these come so unattractive you know holding the planchet down can leave impressions on the coin from the mid this is not damaged and these come really nice it almost plays into the date we have 1773 latin i mean uh we flipped this over um we oh obviously that’s the crest of the house of bourbon with the crown over it their evil family louis the 15th king of france and something something something yeah and then we have the you know laureled uh head of louis the 15th and he’s obviously letting his mullet hang yeah yeah the uh the other thing you know and i i had seen an instagram post that you had done about this but there’s a little you know there’s some scratches you know what what beyond scratches are there uh-huh there’s a little bit more than scratches i was hoping you’d mention that on my instagram uh at gamer coin yeah i’ve had the little shameless self play oh yeah it’ll be i do feature and uh demonstrate this lighting is a little bit bad these are not scratches these are amateur um learning maybe apprentice engraver this coin to practice maybe he just did the date because we can see july 2nd a left side of the coin in front of his face with the y kind of cutting for for people struggling cutting into the neck and then over here 1854. kind of smushed in here it’s like his boss was telling him to get back to work yeah yeah yeah but uh this is a it could be a love token it could be some guy just trying to stay up to date i call this a save the date coin cool cool no that that’s really neat and and again um interesting and another thing that you had mentioned and i’ll just tell the viewers in case they they hadn’t heard but a lot of this sort of thing would have been circulating in the colonies it wasn’t like you know the the colonial currency or all the way up to 1857 and then even beyond that you know silver coins from around the world was was all all throughout the world and certainly in the colonies in this in the early states so it’s fun to think about that now the next i think i’m going to bundle these speaking of the colonies yeah speaking of large silver coins with history let’s pull up both of those el cazador uh which was the shipwreck these are shipwreck or presumed el casador sorry i have to preface it with that it’s not like someone throw these through these in their toilet bowl for 200 years these were in the ocean for quite a long time uh one more preserve than other i think you can tell which one and when you say before just a quick pause so el cazador that’s a shipwreck that is a shipwreck from 1783 uh from veracruz on the gulf of mexico uh thirty seven thousand uh thirty seven thousand five hundred pounds of silver sent from mexico city mint we can see the mint mark here the o over the m yeah yeah a classic that’s yup this is instantly recognizable to uh our mexican collectors definitely an iconic mint ship from mexico city mint to new orleans to the louisiana louisiana territory which at that brief span of time was actually under the control of the spanish we think of that as the louisiana territory buying it from the french before that it was a span it’s spanish uh lots of instability in the region no one was getting paid with hard money gold and silver instead worthless paper charles iii he decided hey these people need to be paid so they don’t walk off the job uh so let’s send silver hard money to them by boat send 38 000 pounds of silver across the gulf of mexico no problem right 50 miles off the coast of new orleans it’s destination things get a little bit of hair a hairy they think it was a storm i believe somehow gets lost run aground shipwreck i believe everyone lost i can’t confirm that i oh okay okay but this is a big this is a big wreck this is a big wreck 50 miles off the coast i mean we’re talking thousands upon thousands of these coins being found fast forward to 1994 fishing boat called the mistake wow grows up throws out its net and by mistake see what i did there picks up these silver crowns and it’s not since like holy smokes guys holy smokes that’s that’s gotta be quite a you know the the unboxing on that one would be for a live stream for that would be wild could you imagine maybe we can organize something we’ll go on the gulf of mexico yeah yeah yeah we’re looking for pirate treasure exactly um that would be quite a video but here here are these coins and what sort of you know people like shipwreck coinage i think certainly it’s got appeal to people who aren’t as involved necessarily with with collecting what are these coins worth you know obviously i know i was speaking with matt from world coin south fl he was saying how important the papers were you mentioned it you know what what are these coins worth so these are undocumented coins uh as is 150 bucks i’ve got 20 bucks without without papers with papers 200 so the pay that’s an expensive piece of paper got to have it signed by the guy who found these or some certification process the thing is i can’t tell you that’s a video for another day my rant about certificates of authenticity very expensive pieces of paper is all i call them awesome anything on anything on these before we move on yeah i mean uh that that coin was definitely stuck in between uh quite a few um because we have very little pitting on that one so this one actually it’s a very weak strike on the reverse shame that the weekly struck one was well preserved and the well struck one wasn’t so well preserved let’s put that one weekly struck one down and let’s take a look at the pitting on this one i just want to demonstrate because this is what a shipwreck coin should look like we have this beautiful uh scene of the the straits of gibraltar the pillars of hercules which represent the beginnings of the new world right in greek mythology we have plus ultra you know uh beyond something i don’t speak latin uh we have the entire crest legible at and rex mexico city atrial fm that’s the as a sayer we even have the tiny globe with the cross above the crown that’s not so that’s historical hispania we flip it over we can see charles iii see his brooch we can see his cloak we can see each panel of armor date 1777. carlos iii dre gracia gracia gets a bit fuzzy here and that’s the only part where it’s fuzzy you see the ia in gracias 1777. this is what i mean you can see his spaghetti hair see his wreath you can see his ear and his earlobe eyes and that little cheeky smirk it’s like you found me yeah no after all those years i mean maybe i’m really excited to talk about this one but uh you know right here when i was pulling it out the reverse is going to be and you can even see in this lighting a little bit of color there but a gorgeous reverse on what i assume is a is a five liter from italy five lyra from uh i believe this is piedmont mint you can tell from that little eagle talk about a mint mark huh what if we had done symbols instead of letters i think that would have been really cool uh this is an 1826 sardinia italian states so obviously just like germany it wasn’t always unified that would be until the 1860s and garibaldi and the red shirts did that uh we have the king of sardin sardinia here felix i’m pretty sure it’s felix i mean let’s see yeah he’s put it on there car felix i could be wrong i mean if anyone in the comments is an expert on uh or has a wikipedia page available to them you can find out yeah wow it’s something knocks you out doesn’t it totally i love you know all the big world coins um and especially from the states you know german states italian states i know a lot less about but this is one of the most attractive italian states coins i’ve ever owned in terms of color and uh hyper blue color i mean this is unreal this is the definition of cabinet tone i purchased this from an estate of the you know the daughter of a dealer who died um he kept these coins on velvet since the 1940s wow that’s uh you know this is a gorgeous coin and it’s super fun to check out um you know i want to jump to the next one maybe value and and if there’s something you know i i don’t know what i don’t know i could ah what if what if without the toning what would this be worth you could get one on ebay uh dipped and cleaned for a hundred nine i mean i think it’s not as far off a big a big 1820s silver coin 500 bucks that’s awesome i have this coin priced at 350 with color gotcha gotcha no it’s it’s uh you know just just to get an estimate and then this is going to be the uh you know this is what we’re waiting for here we go 1651 taller of ferdinand the third right at the okay so there’s a little bit of fighting going on in spain and his uh his you know hispania about you know catholics versus protestants french versus austria all sorts of crazy mumbo-jumbo but out of this austria doesn’t really win it doesn’t really lose okay so it doesn’t have the humiliating defeat of losing to its enemies but it doesn’t have that glorious victory that they really wanted going into this gotcha and what is how does that translate onto the coin coins of this size and of that period were usually tools of propaganda as you can tell from the vf condition of this coin it did circulate but it was super important to depict the emperor as a warrior king we have the laureled head regal he has the gift from god to rule over man you have him draped in this super crazy 15 you know you know 17th century armor gator and you have the order of the garter here which is an award uh the austrian order of the golden fleece which is only awarded to catholic monarchs this guy’s the real deal he’s been through some stuff we have the date here hidden in the corner 1651. how cool is that i i love i love the date yeah yeah i mean talk about design you have this pointy beard you got his big nose just just a cool coin i nerd out over stuff like this you flip it over we got the one of the most complicated reverses i think that i’ve ever seen yeah what maybe do you know anything about it yes this is also his lineage so we can see that it comes from different noble houses that’s what i assume there’s the house of world house of worth so basically the the the wurtemberg one that we showed previously was who our grandparents were this is who my great-grandparents were and they’re all super cool so we have random house or not random very well selected i mean to me they’re random but yeah yeah at the time no this was a big deal probably who made it this was um as the kids call it a flex flexing on the haters flexing on the yeah yeah we have um the crown here all of these families are nobility and you know divine right to rule for all of them super cool this ornate gator here this was actually worn around the neck for monarchs we have another order of the garter here at about six o’clock you have some more latin characters uh look at the abolishment next to the letters embellishment next to the letters too yeah this point is well made there’s two heritage auction appearances going back 20 years for the date i believe anyone can fact check me um one in a you one in ms and what were those you know obviously the market probably changed since they but what were the comps low fig four figures in 2010 to me out of the three known to me the worst known you guys saw uh finest known in the last video this is the worst known to me at least and uh i don’t think this coin is very worst to anything it doesn’t detract too much because you can tell because something that’s really appealing about this coin is not only is it ordinate not only is it intricate intricate not only is it full of historical value but it also was there that circulated that could have been paid to a soldier of the 30 years war it probably was they had they got to get their money too yeah yeah with a with a strong depiction of the of the man who is behind it all so i mean this is this is a great coin thank you so much i’m trying to think sometimes i i miss any anything in closing that you’d want to say about this group to any u.s coin collectors uh intimidated about the prices or the rarity start buying what you like for what you can afford and it will take you places and show you things that you never thought existed that’s great i mean that that’s uh you know certainly that’s sort of the mantra the hobby as well so thank you so much for being on and i think we’ve got i know we’re gonna do one video after this on a special coin so i’ll look forward to releasing that video yes thank you very much for listening to me guys thanks for watching the video i’d encourage you to like comment and definitely subscribe to the channel and connect with me on facebook instagram and twitter i also have a website treasuretownyt.com where you should go so that you can learn more about coins as well as what’s happening on the channel and possibly find a place to sell your coins and collectibles i also want to talk about some of my other projects like coinmeltprice.com which shows precious metals prices as well as the melt values of coins containing those precious metals both u.s and world i also have coinsmetalscards.com which will develop into a full marketplace as well as a new source for coins metals cards as the name might suggest and then treasuretowncoins.com which long term will be my coin dealing entity separate from the channel and lastly whatsthegrade.com which will be a stickering service for already certified collectibles where you can get a approval or verification of the grade on the holder hope you have a wonderful day and i look forward to seeing you on some of my other videos
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