Sunrise Daily: Analysing The State Of National Security, PDP’s Internal Troubles | 27/08/2021

Sunrise Daily: Analysing The State Of National Security, PDP’s Internal Troubles | 27/08/2021

[Music] hello good morning and welcome to sunrise daily well yeah we’re coming to you live from our abuja studios i’m train building it’s a beautiful friday morning from here it’s not lagos today yeah it’s capital abuja i hope i didn’t say it you’re welcome oh yes indeed um wow what a difference 24 hours can indeed make and well you know um but not a lot of you already know that um yesterday we were invited by the nbc uh our regulators of our some interviews we had with uh the governor of benue state and um commodore coonley allowed security he said that he’s had a 35-year career in the security circle in the country and um you know there were certain things that uh you know we needed to just rob minds about and how things turned out so but um there were lot of questions and then query from uh all and sundry concerning you know what exactly the situation is what is going on what uh what did they hear uh you know it’s amazing how news travels these days and um there was a lot of inquiry and yeah and rightly so people just wanted to know what’s going on how are things playing out and um you know so it’s uh it was um there were so many things that you know just went through the experiences we had and how nigerians were responding to a lot of things and some things that needed to be corrected in terms of uh word that was really out there so we were invited we’re not arrested so much as we do appreciate the concern that a lot of people did show um it was huge and it was quite humbling and it was an experience that we there was just so many things really quite a lot yeah what a day was really and um like you said we’re really grateful for that show of concern show of support and for me what stood out was the fact that a lot of people uh saw nigeria the project this nation as you know something that we all need to uh rally around and you know sort it out and that for me was huge it was huge i mean i saw beyond just the short support and care for us i saw beyond that i saw that a lot of people were thinking i mean so nigeria what happens what happens in the next few months how do we ensure that things get better and that for me was was i mean a sign of greater things to come and i’m really grateful i mean the goal yeah is a nation that works for all of us a nation that we’re all proud of and as journalists would all continue to contribute our bit to ensuring that nigeria fulfills purpose i mean nigeria takes its place its rightful place in the committee of nations but yes as chamberlain said we were not arrested or invited and after we were done with the meeting we left and we headed over to our place of rest and here we are today coming to you live from abuja yeah and um you know sometimes you know i just use uh so what i think is could be you know the closest analogy or scenario to paint a picture that’s why his spots are football it’s a global sport a lot of people can relate to football and nigerians can relate a lot to football you know how it is that different is playing the match and then there’s a coach uh irrespective of the kind of experience or qualification the coach has become a coach as an idiot everybody you know they just want to ensure that look because ultimately they all want victory for nigeria they want our flag to be hoisted and flying high and that was why from what we saw yesterday i mean just as guy they said uh so many things that were gleaned from a lot of what transparent yesterday a part of which is that look the thing is many of you want this country to take his prior place in the committee of nations now we may not agree to do things the same way there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s supposed to be a democracy i just have got to contend but you know we don’t need to forget that whatever approach you decide to adopt we have to have a country and we need to keep working together to achieve our goals you know uh what they say eternal vigilance is the price of freedom you know um our colleagues uh journalists across board we can’t thank them old enough we can’t thank you enough much as uh in trying to ensure ask questions about what’s happening how could things have happened this way look it’s part of the theories of communication when you have third-party information you put some of those things out there so channel noise may come into play at some point in time so just this technical dragon but you know um as they say these two shall pass so um and you know we always like to say god bless you all god bless nigeria and uh we’ll keep doing what we have to do as professionally possible as we can so we thank you all once again for the love the concern uh that you all showed and it does show us that together we can indeed build a country that everybody will be proud of and we need to keep working towards that all right that’s it um we’ll just take you through how the dailies are reflecting what is going on let’s start with the guardian newspaper this morning shall we and if you take a look at the front page of the guardian today surprise yeah that’s what it says surprise economy gains highest quarterly growth since 2015. there you go uh that is the front page of the guardian newspaper here today uh the gold a host of riders as a matter of fact barry lowe’s gdp’s 5.01 growth in q2 2021 economists dismissed figures as reflection of last year’s deep dive growth needs to be sustained before 2023 election slows economy down says riwani impact on citizens citizens welfare most matters most yusuf insists transports growth is first sign of recovering economy experts see more potential in telecom calls for better policies and then this one harry replaces caleb as head of nbs statistician in general that’s the final shot on all these white tests i mean because the figures came yeah and then the announcement followed as it was so definitely it would make news and a lot of people have commended him that’s the outgoing head of mbs for i mean changing some things trying to review the way a lot of things have been calculated in the past and i mean a lot of changes were made definitely so i think you said you went out on a high well the jury’s out there who knows i mean and that’s the thing with someone existing well even though they tell you statistics and data don’t lie but this has got to do with his performance and so who knows so it’s up to you well the higher mint is the five percent high oh get the five percent higher yeah well who knows who knows it all depends uh perhaps it could also depend on the kind of events that will unfold in next couple how many quarters more yeah depending on the policies that they put in place and then at the bottom strip right there in new twists court restores secundus as pdp chairman pdp governors insist on october convention silent on kebbi court order neck meets tomorrow to endorse zoning convention committee and then you see atiku explains long absence from pdp meetings nwpp has adopted october as end of our tenure says erstwhile and sherman so there you go um so quite a lot on the front page of the garden here today i will leave you to just go ahead make a pick and do what you will that’s the question today we’ll take a look at daily trusts and with this one i’ll deviate from the norm i will not start with the lead i’ll start with the pictures on the front page of daily trust newspaper and the pictures you see show the abducted pupils not students pupils to show that the children young children the adopted pupils of uh tegena regaining their freedom after 88 days that’s almost three months that’s that’s like a term of school so they essentially spend a term of school in captivity and i mean what they say life harbors vacuum so if they were not in school they were in some other type of school learning some other type of things i wonder how much work we have to do to reverse what may have happened but the writer says bandits collect 68 million naira ransom and bikes it’s a big six read of the daily trust newspaper this morning you can see the children i just wonder what’s going through their minds right now well the lead story is nigeria’s economy expands as gdp hits 5.01 growth highest in seven years ict trade travels lead in reversing covered 19 setbacks lagos abuja chambers call for tax relief but let us know what you think really about about the standards jimbo said about figures don’t lie so let’s know how you have i mean how you are fed in this period on the review yeah the gdp figures and then your personal figures as well let’s let’s let’s hear from you so send us mails would really love to take them it’s on page five uh 44 years after nnpc announces 287 billionaire profit after tax it’s on page 20. a couple of other stories you see on the front page there’s sports as well on the back page of the daily trust newspaper oh yeah that’s what friday sports right oh yeah real madrid increase bid from parkway to 170 million euros oh imagine parents looking at their children and thinking you shall play football are you just going to get 200 at this rate but of course it doesn’t get all of that right so that is crazy but yeah that’s the daily trust for you he said he’s 1125. okay well um take a look at blueprints that’s the next one we’ve got for you here nigeria’s 5.01 gdp growth excites barry and you see a host of riders as well not all sector rises to 6.74 ict 17.92 trade ict transportation electricity agriculture major drivers uh president praise his economic sustainability plan so there you go um yeah uh that’s blueprint this morning well next up is nigerian news direct with nigeria’s gdp that’s a big story niger’s gdp grows by 5.01 percent in q2 highest in six years seven years six years hey six and not half a dozen this time six i’m perfect that’s quite correct there’s a difference clearly buhari hills managers of economy for hard work commitment growth signals gradual normalization of nigeria’s economy experts covered 19th third wave rise in insecurity others threat to gdp growth for saying that lcci and professor gibala has this nigerians are yet to feel the growth impacts um so i mean different angles to that one you find it on page two there’s the nnpc story as well on top of the name plate and uh the pdp story kebbie court uh reinstates a condos as pdp national chairman but there’s something um you may have missed of course we covered that security things are not getting better and that statement is credited to the sultan of sokoto well there was a meeting yesterday and we’ll be giving you a lot of insight into that particular one uh but let’s leave it there for nigerians direct well on to vanguard plato attack injured helpless as blood scarcity hits hospitals wow emergency wards mortuaries saturated with victims nma will continue to have recurrence unless there’s justice i’ll subscribe to lalon the commissioner for information alluded to a similar narrative yesterday as well whilst we had him on the program but here you see another writer says those behind crisis resident in other states no one should be above the law sultan tells fg tasks security agencies to demystify unknown gunman attacking communities so there you go that uh is enough to shelf phraseology these days um because come to think of it right um i mean the the previous writer that said the attackers are from neighboring states that goes to show that at least the identity is known so there’s some intelligence regarding that so questions about security policing so usually when you hear intelligence like that or information like that you ask what are you doing with what you know so far i mean if we know that much at least we’re not calling them unknown gunmen this time around thankfully what have we done well in terms of what’s being done the next writer here reads urges president brewery to convoke chair national confab as can president condemns ethnic religious coloration of just massacre barry working to leave in behind safe prosperous nation in 2023 as gfr shores acf condemns killings on the plateau so um well that is a handful already so uh we might as well just you know let you go ahead and take a look at the rest yourself now vanguard has uh a lot of items on sports world cup qualifiers raw expects good start for eagles i hope the egos will roll to victory when they have that first that’ll look weird though an eagle roaring wouldn’t that look weird oh sorry that’s the eagles okay the team i know it’s one play it’s okay for the team whatever adjective just get them to eventually permissible and so to make sure whichever way another magister is also there rahman will make second and bappy bead worth look at that 145 million euros is this yours a pound now the euros wow 145. whoa chelsea chelsea’s stronger with lukaku says liverpool’s goalkeeper i wonder what whatever it’s going to be what a match why was there an excitement to your voice when you saw chelsea though well he said it’s stronger they’re going to be stronger that’s stronger but not because of any ties no i feel like sports ties okay i have spotting ties sports is good actually for your health all right okay new telegraph is next uh leads with that islamical abduction story banned its release over 70 out of 136 pupils after 89 days in captivity see free children conveyed in six bosses with military cover at least something to rejoice over and it’s a good one it’s been a long time coming but good news nonetheless it’s page three but what happens next is another big story there’s a second story drama as pdp governors endorse nwc’s decision i’ve been restated says chair says october convention sacrosanct and atiku says my long absence not deliberate uh more details on page four and you see 44 years after nnbc declares 287 billion naira profits records being broken first with the gdp figures now with nnpc yeah so i mean i had a lot of people tell me tell me when you heard then obviously the clear prophet just tell me so clearly something has been done right wow it’s interesting so uh how i think there’s an explanation of how i believe how cost adjustment moved and in pieces of profitability you might want to find more on that and an update on hush poppy or something related to harsh puppy sip on kerry submits reports to igp so all eyes on igp as it were for the outcome of that report some page six report card is out that’s the new telegraph well look at that leadership friday next after 89 days in bandits den islamiyah pupils regained freedom parents meet pupils in kaduna community search continues for abducted army major so um you know sometimes a cross can be a good feeling the families of those in these kind of situations are seeing all sorts of items being circulated uh you know in social media i said well so they were kidnapped in niger and they were found in kaduna is that what the report says the the parents in kaduna no this is search continuous for abducted army major okay yeah that’s what i’m talking about okay and then the other writing is that troops kill 43 terrorists capture commander pmb orders deployment of a hundred special forces in zamfara uh catholic bishops northern christian elders suggest way forward yeah always good to perfect solutions to things uh just beneath that one uh pdp crisis another chord during stage second says national chairman party insists on october national convention there you go uh as they all do the more so just go ahead but that is leadership friday today but daily independent leads with secondus fights back court restores him as national chairman at security services in pdp 24 months after explains self but the big one for me that is resident doctors vow to continue strike despite court order and this is big because i imagine thousands if not millions of nigerians that need access to health care yeah i just didn’t didn’t take that perhaps i know it was going to be this that similar uh matter mentioned here in leadership friday there was a story just above that the leaf story which read plato killings nard as a resident doctors recalls striking doctors for emergency duty that with regard to plantar killing but here their neck size well i guess that’s an exception for that sort of like a war situation right but this is a very sad one i mean three weeks or more i’ve been on strike and i imagine the millions of people that have been turned back over that you see expect three days heavy rains in kano kaduna others nightmare wounds so if you stay in those areas or adjoining areas you might want to get ready for that and the hush puppy stories also at the bottom strip of the front page of daily independent nigeria tribune is the next one just killings red cross worry of a shortage of blood enemy laments rising number of victims i mean this is um a matter that you know much as they were still trying to see how they could shore up that awareness to extend that people could be you know a lot more forthcoming when it has to do with donating blood uh i still you know they don’t have no problems to grapple with in that regard then you have this shortage so you just wonder where what next to expect because you don’t want to be in this kind of situation where you require uh blood transfusion and then this headline so we hope there is a strategy to ensure that this is addressed but yeah that’s a lead story on the front page of nigerian tribune this morning security agencies must identify prosecute all unknown gunmen that’s wrong with sultan as we highlighted in some of the previous dailies today and then the writers all religious leaders inciting the public must be arrested the second writer says attack on nda shows nowhere is safe in nigeria can there you go um that is tribune today but for the daily times uh governor autumn to presidency is how they start off focus on ending in security fix economy instead of attacking me as governor of tom2 presidency and uh pdp replies presidency as a rider you not being a governor spreading division hate so um still those statements flying around but whether we like it or not the big issue is still there which is solving insecurity across across the different levels and i want to believe that everybody has a role to play in this from the political parties to the state executives at the federal level as well so we’d like to hear the solutions to uh at the bottom strip you see you must have respect for sanctity of lives of nigerians catholic bishops tell fg and just one more which you already heard nigeria’s gdp grows by 5.01 in q2 2021 that’s the daily times that’s what news direct leads with uh nigeria’s gdp growth grows by five point zero one percent okay you’ve taken it already all right so there you go that is it then with a look at some of the dailies here this morning we’re back in the moment to stay with us [Music] so [Music] government officials religious and traditional rulers are meeting for the thought time this year under the umbrella of the nigeria into religious council to discuss issues of national security the past few weeks have seen an upsurge in killings kidnappings and banditry especially in the northwest and the east and most recently in jaws where scores have died in a recent attack according to the religious leaders the situation is made even more worrisome as some religious leaders continue to preach aid while intelligence agencies failed to provide prompt information on non-government invaded people’s homes how can they be unknown or non-people kill so many people and then nothing is done where are intelligence agencies don’t we have a proactive intelligence agency that will think ahead of anybody any criminal trying to do something every form of killing or criminality so i tried the response of the government because life is life either in reprisal attacks or otherwise several attacks had happened again after that of the unfortunate clip of our muslim brothers even yesterday as you have all seen in the news august 25 20 21 several people were still killed in plato state we look like repressor attacks the secretary to the government of the federation mr boss mustafa and governor simon lalong of plato state promised more responsiveness on the part of the government to address the insecurity challenge in the country however they want citizens to support their efforts leaders that are fond of making statements that do not in any way bring soccer and comfort to our people but further deepening discord ought to be cautioned and i believe that the security operatives listening to me will take that lead and deal with those steps and put in place mechanism for conflict resolution as well as dealing with instigators of conflict if we are not able to expose the criminals within us then how will government find solutions to some of this after about two hours of deliberations members of the council then go into a closed door session hopefully deliberations reached here will help to ameliorate the situation in the country welcome back to sunrise city well yes we’re just following up on the the reports that interreligious cancer summit which you just watched and heard we’ve got mr dennis and macrae as you may have seen in that welcoming slide he’s a former assistant director with the state security service good morning and thank you for joining us today on the program so um you yeah nice to do it like this on the other side you know well you heard the report there the comments of first eminent religious leaders assaulting for instance asking questions of our security architecture intelligence community of which uh is um at least you’ve been there done that so what he did ask is this theory about unknown gunmen don’t we have intelligence could you uh talk to us about some of this is what is it um i mean those questions that he put out there i mean to the late layman out that they will always wonder there will always be room for improvement so tell us um you’ve heard that report what do you think of what he said thank you for having me um of course what all this said there is uh very true because these are the problems of the country that we’re facing at this time you know um i think many people don’t understand that the whole country is under siege at this time we might be pointing fingers at the little symptoms that occur kidnapping attacks that are coming up but there are fundamental problems fundamental problems in the country that need to be solved and of course uh the divisiveness is uh what is even pulling us apart in this country uh there was this survey that was carried out recently by uh on the croatian in the in the in the country and you find out that only 37 of nigerians are patriotic and that is not good enough because when we start to have all these different kinds of attitude of where we came from or whether the herdsmen or whether the bandits are from outside the country or their unknown gunmen or you know before it was unknown soldier and now we have unknown government so it is something that we have to put a finger on and i think the command the intelligence community should go ahead and do it because you see when this kind of things happen people are arrested nobody is prosecuted or if they are prosecuted nobody is jailed then it becomes a problem a problem whereby um we we keep on calling names you know or are portioning blames to people of what is going on in the country while we can solve it ourselves you know yesterday while we were speaking with the commissioner for information in platter states he raised some questions and concerns about security policing how he thought that there’s room for improvement and those were the concerns that the people had and i think still do because he thinks that all of those things people internalize them and come to a conclusion and act based on that perception how do you think the intelligence community should approach some of these things is there a challenge with should they look to changing or improving communication or is it going to be well you have to act and then side by side communicating to the people so that they don’t leave with the wrong impression that it appears as though people do things and go scot-free well one thing i know is that the intelligence community is solid in this country but i think what impedes them in carrying out some of the jobs they want to do is because of politics politicians because you see when you mix politics with security then it becomes a very big problem and i i think personally that if these agencies are independent on their own uh they should be able to do a better job but um when they are under the direction of uh um leaders that are not forthcoming or who don’t think seriously about the whole country as a whole then we have problems you know and then of course um party politics and of course ethnicity diversiveness whereby there are a lot of disgruntlement all over the place so i i think uh complication will solve it but um it still comes back to the leaders to bring everybody together to talk about it i’m here to truly understand you know when you say politics okay is it possible for you to cite examples of where you think that politics may have served as a hindrance for instance um in in bringing um you know people who are committing heinous crimes to book because the politicians are not looking good when these crimes happen and i want to imagine that you know they’ll at least if there’s anything that they’re interested in they let next elections and and they want to be able to say they provided security for the people so can you cite instances where you think that it is politics and politicians influence and you know roadblocks that have prevented the security agencies from doing what they ought to have done in in that instance thank you for that question you see that um when um security is being executed you know it does not know ethnicity it does not know religion it does not know which party you belong to but um here there is this uh separation whereby you you you you you remember when pdp was in power apc was all over them and then of course when apc comes into power you find the others all over them and there is nothing good coming out from another the opposition parties and i think that is that is in fact unpatriotic because you find out that when something that is happening our military are fighting instead of everybody to get together and say okay let’s do this let’s take care of this problem that we have instead people are reading meanings into it and you know it’s a party we would have done better uh it was a few numbers that were killed uh when our party was there and stuff like that then of course think of what is going on now we have kids that have been in the term in the custody of kidnappers for so many so many days and weeks and the whole country is burning instead of us to come together and solve this problem politicians are busy thinking of 2023 i i am worried because if if the country burns down what which what what is going to be the political practice when it comes to 2023 well uh i’m just thinking isn’t this just uh a bit convenient to always say the politicians and uh let me use this example or analogy so i imagine a doctor who’s meant to operate on a patient and a politician who owns the hospital or who employed the doctor or surgeon says you know what i don’t want you to make the incision this way this is how i want you to do it okay in fact i want you to even slice the neck and and all a doctor will clearly say no i can’t do that it’s not my job my my job is to preserve life and not to take life so if you if you’re a security agent or the head of a security agency and it’s always convenient to say that well the politicians are the ones setting the tone if they tell us to not do this we will not do this don’t you think that’s i don’t know it sounds convenient to me am i wrong yeah i think we’ve discussed this before and i’m going to repeat it here that you see when you have an intelligence agency or the intelligence community itself in your country what they are supposed to do is to pursue the national interest follow the national interest make sure that everything about the national interest is taken care of but here i don’t think we have a written out national interest that asking in nigeria what is the national interest of nigeria today i don’t think anybody will give you a definite definition so we don’t have a national interest and why don’t when we don’t have a national interest then how do the intelligence community operate they will operate from the bosses because the law that created them says that they are a department of the presidency the police reports to the president the dss reports to the president so um whatever the president gives out or the presidency is the direction you go and you you can see in fact if you look at the history of the intelligence community in nigeria it has become one where even when babangida and general bangladesh came into power um they have to dismantle the nigerian security organization because at that time it was uh alleged that the the organization was becoming very very uh dangerous um and then of course the present president was you know the head of state and the those of the detention centers of the nso were thrown open and then of course it became almost a laughing stock at that time then after that president took over what happened he used them more than what he used them for so you find out that because they are created to be an appendage of the presidency the president at that time or any time will direct and then that is of course different from because it might be the manifesto you remember the presidents are carrying out the manifestos of their party and that is not the national interest well these agencies are creations of law essentially i don’t think security operatives will call the president or the governor or whoever when they’re about to make an arrest and say we need to make an arrest there’s been a crime here should we arrest or not i imagine that doesn’t happen the creation of law the law is clear on how they carry about their duties so they make arrests they profile they interrogate and do all of that prosecutor and the rest so these things are clean okay when it comes to appointments and some other strategic decisions yes you can talk about it at that leadership level but the law is clear so are you saying that we don’t have men in security agencies that can stand up and stand by the law and say well this is what the law says i’m going to follow the law to the letter uh you are a nigerian and have you ever heard that have you ever heard anything called others from above and have you had the situation where somebody was arrested for certain things some national crimes security crimes and you know a call will come to let the person go it has happened in the history of this country so you find out that it is not a situation where the security agencies are very free to do what they have to do but if their allegiance is to the constitution of nigeria then you will find out that human service they will carry out the national interest did you get the question i didn’t get you yes please did that happen while you were in service oh okay um that phone calls will come and say that you you can let somebody go yes oh well yeah you find out that um you have to carry out others because you’re not the top of the organization even if you’re the top of the organization you know you can you know you can be somebody above you will call you and i say okay we don’t want to do it like this we’ll do it like this so that it’s not a matter of it does not happen well uh when you talk about security agencies beholding to whoever uh the president over time would you say that that’s what you have seen today for instance uh governor of plateau state samuel lalong says that uh these kind of things will keep happening unless there is justice he’s the number one security person in his state chief security officer as they refer to them by the books he wants something done why can’t it be done in that state for instance cp doing certain things following or going by the books why can’t that be done okay there are two things here one they have this exclusive list and non-exclusive lists i don’t know why those lists exist anyway because one is federal and the other ones are out of there but um again you find out that in the states themselves the governors are supposed to be the chief security officers of their state and now the some of them will claim that uh you know i don’t have the power to do what i want to do because you know i don’t have the fighting forces and i think that is not true because i have worked in a state i’ve been a member of the state security council and the governor is the chairman of that of that very council and when he is the chairman whatever is discussed there will be carried out by all the agencies that are present you know it is not a situation where you say oh let me go and talk to my uh ig before i can carry out what is going on because even the igs or even the dgss will expect that director to take a decision according to the state security council then inform the headquarters you know so it is a situation where um you you don’t claim that you don’t have the powers after all the security funds that they give to them every month what the what is it used for it’s not just for buying vehicles and then giving to security agents is for running the security operations of that state i want to ask you i i’m sorry to take you back to the issue of you know the public because we’re still around the political class anyway but some people will argue that isn’t this because uh the security agencies themselves are allowing politics infiltrates their own ranks either there is now there could be divisions some other times it is a lack of coordination amongst the security agencies maybe some loyal to some you know political godfathers and others loyal to other political godfathers and that is what we’re saying manifested in the current security situation which we’re experiencing you don’t agree are very correct it happens all the time because when there is a political space people will tend to align with let’s say there’s a governor now he has a policeman and the dss people you know posted to him and we’ve had situations in this country where during elections the governor will take these people and go down to the polling booths and do all kinds of things you know and um at that time where do you classify the security people you know they become partial and of course there was even a situation there are situations where if they go for an election the governor of the state the governor actually came out to say this a governor of the state will go ahead and meet the security people and say hey do you have accommodation do you have uh have you eaten and you will give them money you know corrupting the security agents so that by the time this thing starts their allegiance is shifted they are human beings so these are the kinds of things if you want to do any kind of operations like that fund them properly let them not be partisan let them not be attaching or even you know looking up to the governor to do anything for them now about how we will now make sure that you know all the loyalties of our security agents and agencies live with the nigerian state isn’t that is another big question how do we begin you made reference to that api report even though it was about the generality of nigerians but i’m sure that amongst the generality of nigerians there’s also uh there would also be some reflection of our security agencies right in there uh patriotism is is not very high as we speak how do we begin to reinforce and reinstate and you know put at the center loyalty to the nigerian state first of all the security agents are nigerians too they go to the same market things are very hard you know the economy is tight and everything fine but importantly we have to look at a situation where the loyalty of the security agents is very patriotic and very very aligned to the national interest or the national and the nigerian constitution so it is not a matter of where you start to because you are in the country after training any security agent does not have any other choice than to be patriotic because i remember after we finished our own cadet trainings we we are in fact if we were alone anywhere and the national anthem is is is playing we stand at attention whether there is somebody or not or in public or in private we respect our flag the national symbols don’t mean anything again so you find out that patriotism we have a national orientation agency and i don’t think they are renting anybody towards you know that patriotic zeal that everybody has there are other countries where you go and they are proud to tell you that i’m a u.s citizen because he knows if he’s kidnapped somewhere in the republic they’ll come and get him but we have people kidnapped in our country and then we have a problem here you know so these are the things that have to be done i think there is supposed to be a deliberate effort in trying to solve these national issues and i think it’s important to talk about those deliberate efforts and come to think of it we have this state and the people hand over the reins of affairs of the state to certain individuals to govern the state and by extension handing over the instrument of states which security is one of them to those people who then wield it in the way they like sometimes for self-preservation perhaps that’s why you have all of this but clearly all of this conversation points to having strong institutions and i recall i was a former president in africa saying i mean we need to have institutions so strong that even if the devil was in charge it would be difficult to do evil in power just to power for it so talking about those solutions as it were from a security perspective if people don’t have trust faith in security agencies to do things according to law to follow through you know process and procedures then what you have is people taking laws into their hands and clearly that does not work for anyone so if we were to start this step by step from level to level what would you say is the first thing we need to do you know i don’t know if you remember when this particular president was in power the first time as a head of state there was a very common thing that went on there war against in discipline and i can tell you that people restricted themselves to obeying the law whether there is anybody on the street or not you will find hardly find any nigerian that will go by the roadside and start to urinate and then of course people will queue up at the bus stations you know so the fundamental issue is that we nigerians also have to look at inwards at ourselves because you know we keep on saying it oh that like just style or this nigeria or something you know that is very derogatory because we are taking certain things for granted the rule of law must hold because we cannot continue um behaving anyhow we go to a stop sign where there is a red light and you stop and people behind you are honking and telling you that you must move on move on there is nobody move on the discipline of you know feeling part of society because we are not wild animals that we can just be running up and down you know and then of course we have to take seriously of our judicial system because you see that is a major part of government that has disappointed nigerians how many kidnappers have we arrested have the security agencies arrested nobody has been prosecuted or if they be prosecuted we don’t hear about it and then of course they are still there until one day they will just we all forget and they go away well let me let me touch on this before we go to break in the next two minutes perhaps come back to it and when you talk about the judiciary we’ve referenced in the sultan of sokoto saying the unknown gunmen need to be uh they need to be known as it were and prosecuted and so people who know who these unknown gunmen are and i’d like to find out from the intelligence and security perspective the tags that are given the names that are given so you have unknown gunmen you have bandits then you have a terrorists sometimes you have kidnappers different tags thrown around how does that how does that come to play in the process of prosecution interrogation essentially handling a case so if you hear unknown gunmen how old security agencies handle it if you hear bandits how would you handle it if you hear a terrorist how will it be handled a terrorist like in boko haram a bandit like in zafar and cadilla state or even an ordinary kidnapper like uh people that were kidnapping lagos all of them are terrorists because what they act is what we are talking about the act of terrorizing people of making people to fear you know so these are all terrorists especially the bandits we don’t want to call them bandits or you know what they are doing is terrorism that’s what they are doing so it is very very we should be very clear about that and then of course address them like that and if they want to um prosecute them prosecute them based on their names because there is no reason just like the sultan has said you know it is thai time we we know these unknown guys these unknown elements that are running around in this society disturbing us really attacking our citadel of military trading you know these people cannot be alone and then we should be able to get them by now all right mr micro just give us a moment we’ll be back [Music] nigerian and cameroonian officials under one roof to deliberate and transport the security issues affecting the two countries it’s the eighth time the two countries will be meeting since the establishment of the cameroon nigeria transporter security committee in february 2012 aimed at finding lasting solutions to the lingering problem of terrorism banditry armed smuggling among other criminal activities mostly along their common border areas the minister of state for foreign affairs ambassador zuberudata says the collaboration between the two countries have been yielding results but warns that there are still threats and it’s not time to let down god let me strongly advocate that we sustain our bilateral security framework in order to defeat terrorism in the sub-region particularly with the emergence of terrorist groups such as iswap we must continue to work in order to meet the objectives assigned to this community in article 3 that is to intensify cooperation with regards to trans-border security between our two countries evaluate the security situation at our common borders propose measures which should be so that these issues should be tackled properly it’s time for the national security advisor major general baba ghana mangano to speak and it makes no age to one successionist groups in nigeria planning to form alliances with secessionist groups in cameroon another emerging concern is the attempt by secessionist groups in nigeria to form alliances with secessionist groups in cameroon we will work closely together to ensure that any real or perceived challenge or attempt to form any alliances between secessionist groups in nigeria and cameroon are decisively dealt with nigeria and cameroon shares a common border of about 2000 kilometers which makes the relationship between the two countries very germane especially in the face of rising security threats hopefully in the next three days of this meeting delegates will be able to profile solution to these arrays of security threats which beset development in the two countries emperor simon channels television news social cohesion is all about functionalism it is the extent to which people in society are bound together integrated and share common values in the context of nationhood it helps us understand what makes us nigerians and that’s the reason for this social cohesion dialogue if lord lugar had foreseen these things if he had foreseen the rise of a black nation capable by the sheer size and quality of its population by naturally dominating to naturally dominated space the if lord will god had foreseen this things he would never have a margarita the north and south to create one country this social cohesion survey took into consideration 10 key indicators among which our identity in which 49 of nigerians are disappointed in the country 26 percent of nigerians trust the buhari administration 74 of nigerians believe there are people above the law 63 percent of nigerians called the government poor in its efforts to tackle corruption nigeria has failed to explain its challenges from boko haram to the urgent cases of mandatory and farmer’s earth’s crisis there is no national narrative in the absence of national narrative people provide their own narratives which are often divisive the problem is to understand it and explain it a problem understood explained and collectively owned is a problem absorbed the vice president calls out identity politics and restates the need to oppose all seeking to gain from nigeria’s disintegration we must recognize the ways in which we perpetuate institutional discrimination and cause people to see their identities as weapons for procuring opportunity often at the expense of others we see this whenever nigerians are denied opportunity on the basis of their state of origin or because they are non-indigenous the classification of nigerians as indigenes and non-indigenes is a form of apartheid and contradicts our declared aspirations towards equality and unity a resonating thought among all speakers at today’s event is the fact that nigerians do not hate each other true nigerians believe in their potential and are ever hopeful the political will however to ensure that this cohesion is achieved is what is the crux of the matter criminals should be treated as criminals and the victims of such criminal acts be given the closure that they need for the country to develop kayla channel television news [Music] welcome back well mr macrae um look what i want this those kind of reports i mean they have very interesting conversation there but you just can’t ask i mean just as the sultan was asking there don’t you have proactive intelligence he said he’s a military man he knows what he’s talking about in this case for instance what do you think we must be seen to be do or what was due so that was seen to be working the talk talks for instance they want the kinds that took place at that social cohesion survey i personally think that we are very reactive to whatever is happening uh if we are very proactive in what is happening i think even the even the bandits or whoever they are are going to be on edge because you come to the nda uh kill some people kidnap some people and then you go away and then you comfortably left and then went to wherever you are hiding and then start calling for a ransom to be paid to you you know that that means that they will allow the space because i would expect those people to be hunted down you know let them be right behind them so that they will never never relax and then of course it is not it is not a rocket science um we will lead to we need to build our tools in dealing with this kind of things well you know we also look through a number of submissions for instance the governor of plaza states uh talking about the kind of solutions the things uh the gaps the lapses that he’s seen that once should be addressed we’ve recently have heard the sultan address some of these issues is it are you of them what is your thoughts about how some of these things play out in terms of um identifying these people who are doing these things for instance i mean uh i don’t think the press can just put a name or a tag on any group of people if the authorities or security agencies haven’t confirmed some of those so they have a huge responsibility here where you were for instance in the secret service what kind of role do you think they have in ensuring that this toga of a court of a unknown gunman is not just used as a facade and then calling them the wrong names designating them wrongly and then perhaps the state not acting as they ought to if they were properly designated yes i think uh thank you for that question you know in in situations like this what the uh security organizations usually do is identification you must identify the risk that you are facing and then after identifying those risks then you should be able to mitigate them but if you don’t properly identify them then of course you will know what you are dealing with i think it has taken too long for us to be talking about unknown gunmen uh have they not arrested any of these unknown government to let them be known you know so we have to you know expose them if you don’t expose them they continue operating like that because they feel they feel they are getting even stronger by trying out setting setting supposedly hardened spaces you know so i i think we have to re-strategize and then of course deal with this thing properly identify them you know and then of course mitigate that particular risk that we’re facing uh if i could just ask as a follow-up do we have a i imagine we do have but just to be sure do we have a crime database in nigeria where you have the names of people that have committed crimes uh basically the profile as you see in other climbs but also more importantly what do we do with that database if we have uh well they they i know that the dss has its own database and of course what they do with it is their business they do a lot of things with their database and then of course remember they are their international security then of course police also has its own database you know i don’t know whether it’s automated now because i remember if you remember what they call cmr a car registration or car registration center or something like that where all the cars the data on all cars are listed now all these kind of data should be automated so that even policemen when they are on patrol or something should be able to recall quickly on either on a small device in their hand or in their cars so data we have a lot of databases in nigeria but i don’t think whether they are integrated or automated [Music] it’s a big issue uh we’ve seen uh attempts in the past to try and uh you know will i say are you harmonize that’s the word i’m looking for harmonize uh all of these databases and we’ve also seen stiff resistance on the parts of the security agencies who tend to be territorial about what it is that they hold in their custody i imagine that you know some work will be going on in that particular regard however i’m very interested in this uh talk around national cohesion i imagine that is also a priority to government is the reason why the vice president will be attending uh the launch of that particular report and you heard his words there that sometimes when we elevate this um issue of indianship and ethnicity you know it does take the level of a pathetic does in some instances it is that serious so the question is how do we begin to address this issue in such a way that when a problem occurs in one part of the country the rest of the country sees it as their problem for instance we’ve had the crisis in the north east for a while and people will argue that it’s because the rest of the country perhaps left it to fester or swear as a problem of the northeast is the reason why we now have what we have in the northwest with our sea problems in the north central and even parts of the southwest and even the southeast had its own challenges how do we begin to rearrange this now excuse me narrative in such a way that we begin to see each other truly as nigerians and brothers and sisters i think um thank you for that question you know because that is the crux of the nigerian problem we don’t we don’t see ourselves as one nigeria you know we see ourselves either yoruba feek or calabari or lupe or whatever and that is not what nigeria is supposed to be so how do we solve it i think we have to go back to basis go back to basics because i remember very well if you go back to nigeria’s history you find out that earlier when people were voting you go to port harcourt you will see people liberal is a mayor you go to lagos you see other people from other areas living and running for election you know and they’re existing but we started that’s why i said that politicians are the ones that created most of this problem because when they lose at the center they go back to the village and they tell their people oh you know they rejected me because i’m a euro government you know if i was this this or this they would have taken me and with that ethnicity now went into our blood system whereby today if there is an appointment in the newspapers the first thing they need nigerian does is to take the paper and mark out how many household people are there how many europas how many are really you know so that they want to know and at the end of the day without dealing with that oh all the service chiefs are house us or they are all not on us we are not talking of competence anymore we are not talking ethnicity just like the vice president said you know the at least ethnicity problem we have is almost like a appetite because we now start to hate each other if the person is not from our place then the person must be an enemy you know and then you’ll start to see regional uh vegetations we want to form our own country uh with the east we want to form the one in the west so all these things start to happen uh caliphate in the northeast and they keep on dividing the country into pieces but i can tell you one thing we are better off being this one nigeria than the segments that we are planning to be for ourselves let’s wind down this one i mean all of those all of those issues you’ve uh raised i mean you’ve equally highlighted how some security agencies uh beholding to certain political office holders maybe because they were very instrumental to getting them in those positions in one way or the other then there are actions being taken by these terrorists who uh attempt to divide further uh perhaps the country and who knows security agencies as well but the thing now is if we don’t want to get to that situation where security agencies or these divisions you spoke about will seep into security agencies that would be disastrous how do we prevent this because and that’s another important thing that we have to look at you know and i think we have that level of patriotism there among the security agencies where a criminal is a criminal and we should start looking at it that way because nigeria should not start defiling oh this man did this is from this place so nothing is going to happen to him and the security agencies should also and i think that’s why i’m still talking about some level of independence whereby if they arrest somebody no matter where he comes from you know should be handled properly so well we shouldn’t start uh looking at this and then sipping into the security system where people will start to um you know align themselves into one area or the other the important thing in security is patriotism whereby you don’t you know you don’t see yourself as you’re either colorblind or tribal blind so to say you know all right then mr dennis a microformer assistant uh director with the state security service thank you very much indeed for your time this morning thank you for having me all right we’re back in a moment and we’ll switch to politics this time so don’t go away the two deputy national chairmen of the people’s democratic party from the north and south are attending this emergency national working committee meeting to resolve the recent leadership crisis in the party owing to a court order restraining prince uchi sekondis from parading himself as the party’s national chairman that development on monday led to the emergence of the two deputy national chairman of the party reason for which this meeting is holding to resolve the deadlock at the end of the meeting which held behind closed doors the national publicity secretary told journalists that mr yemi akiwami has been accepted to act as the party’s national chairman we have no faction in the people’s democratic party emotion was moved and elder yemi akeemi was unanimously approved as the acting chairman of our great party at a separate meeting the pdp board of trustees wants members to ensure that the party is united ahead of the 2023 general election we have to discuss theoretically the state of our party we have to find ways and means to accept and do the best thing we can to to keep this party moving former vice president atiku abubakar notes that the party’s ability to manage its internal crisis is an indication that the pdp can manage the nation’s challenges we have proved to nigerians that we have that ability to resolve our internal crisis and therefore the crisis or crisis i don’t know what is the plural of crisis i mean that is facing this country from boundary to kidnapping you know name it for god’s sake we have that capacity to resolve all those crises the pdp leadership crisis took a new twist on monday after a court in portarcot ordered that secondus be restrained as national chairman of the party just one week after the pdp governors and the national working committee said they had resolved the crisis welcome back we’re looking into the pdp now that internal matter within the political party the recent caught judgments the nominations that were done so who is where that’s what we will find out from two gentlemen who are here with us in the studios uh sony omar former uh spokesperson for the pdp presidential campaign council as well as a sales owner who is a member of the pdp gentleman good morning thank you for coming on today yeah how are you yeah we’re good we’re good do you know it just appeared to do happen so fast they had nominated an acting national chairman then the court decision came there after and the reports this morning was like well the party was silenced on that cut decision so let me start with you mr mark what is going position now is the party united on what the court judgment or are they sticking with the acting nomination position well let me see that this crisis had been ongoing for a very long time but it was like a cool war it started manifesting when some members of the national working national officers deputy national officers started resigning however it culminated into this situation when a court order was secured in the gamer in potakota [Music] the reverse state that court order with due respect to the land judge was not supposed to have been given even though is an expert order because in the pdp constitution chapter 10 is very clear that the word the local government and the state has no power to discipline any neck member so how the land judge was convinced to have issued that court order was in itself a very a mystery however with the comment of the court order and in line with the rule of law and natural justice the party decided that which is a condos who is who the court order is addressing should step aside and the next person who constitutionally is empowered to become the chairman should act in that capacity and which is the the chairman the deputy chairman south that is what the constitution says the deputy chairman south is this is supposed to act because the chairman is from the south so the the controversy surrounding who becomes the chairman who just emanated because the elder was assumed to be sick and could not discharge the function however the elder himself came out came to the office and testified that he is sick healed and hearty and he can actually perform the functions of that office and before uc secundus can return to his position a court must also issue an order directing him to do so because in line with the rule of law and natural justice and so what happened was that before the the court order came a little bit late it came in the evening while the party held a meeting in the morning and then those held so today we are going to be seeing witches condos in his office discharging the functions that he was elected to serve over a mandate of four years what’s your name well thank you very much first of all let me start by emphasizing that the pdb is a strong family and you will recall that it is a similar situation that led to the disintegration of apc when adam moshomali was suspended by his word uh the party couldn’t hold together anymore but pdp even after that was still together and even stronger you found uh two successors uh justly for the number one position out of love for the party i would say now that has been reserved uh the the deputy chairman south is the acting national chairman and regarding the judgment that came from kebbi one is a bit curious as to what the content of the processes are before that judge whether is an appeal against the decision of a high court of river state that another high court reversed or is a fresh case concerning the position of the national chairmanship of the pdp but of which i don’t think the kennedy state high court have jurisdiction so this tends towards judicial rascality by that judge who gave that order and also i’m a bit suspicious of the the nature of that judgment because you require chemistry as an apc state so i’m beginning to wonder whether there is a hand from the apc government uh to undermine the party now that was the pdp now isn’t that opinion the integrity of the judiciary has no command it’s not it’s the judge who sits on appeal over a coordinated court that is even impugning the integrity of the judiciary because the content of that process must have indicated that a high court have asked the conduct to step aside for this judge to say you can come back there must be such a disclosure so if a judge knows that the high court has asked someone to step aside pending the determination of the suit secondaries have not been sacked okay but he was just asked to step aside now that in the gama will go on what if that judgment turns out totally against the conduct what is expected of of secondary visa to go before that uh the game high court which i felt he did and asked for uh for a vacation yeah of that order but something that seems to come from both of you gentlemen is that uh you both disagree with two court judgments that you don’t think when the way you you think it should have gone so this is a political thing that if you don’t like the way judgment is you just say no this is not right now i’m speaking i’m speaking as a lawyer right not just a member of pdp here i want to tell you that uh the judgment at the the order by the high court of reverse state is still valid and subsistence the the the the kirby hacker can’t vote my point is that the pdp is a registered party that operates everywhere in nigeria it has a registered office in every state of the federation it can be sued and can sue in any part of the federation well i know i’m trying to come to my point now i’m trying to say that the issue of jurisdiction does not even arise because it’s reverse state a jurisdiction of the pdp only or escapistic [Music] jurisdiction but in terms of the levels of the court i mean they’re courts of coordinated jurisdictions so the question is do you think that the cabin states my court should have sat on that matter i was trying to address some issues but let me come to this more specifically now caught a coordinate jurisdiction the issues that will arise is the the issue is a judgment or an expertise order that was an expertise order they didn’t hear the other side now do you go to a court which didn’t even give you the benefit okay we’ll continue from that point when we return in this break from both of you so do stay with us [Music] we are here to express our displeasure over the incompetent corrupt and the bad leadership of prince which is the condos who misused the opportunity given to him by the masses and the national executive and the board of trustees of the pdp he has turned the party into his personal affairs he has sidelined everybody in wadata plaza he has drilled from the objectives and the aims and the constitutional prohibition of the pdp that is why we are calling for his immediate resignation of the as the pdp national chairman we will continue to removalize our people to continue with the protests if you do not resign there is no any option done to decline our membership of the party that’s the pdp to look for another political party that will carry the youth and the interests of the nigerians at heart the masses are the majority and we believe the masses are the voice of the voiceless the governors cannot decide of the majority the majority are the masses minority cannot take a decision we are the mercies of this party we are the supporters we are the followers we are the voters our decision is final not for the governors [Music] welcome back to sunrise mr mark could you go ahead and complete your point uh so uh this issue has always been tackled by our land chief justices of the federation over time that expected orders that are likely to be reversed that can create a situation of a reverse reverse order in the future should
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