Western forces ‘bled into the soil of Afghanistan’ only to see the Taliban back in power

Western forces ‘bled into the soil of Afghanistan’ only to see the Taliban back in power

you believe that the taliban has changed can they be trusted this time around sam they’ve had 20 years they’ve got their leadership has had 20 years in a sense engaging in some respect with modern technology with smartphones which didn’t exist uh back in 2001 they’ve been part of uh international diplomacy for several years here in qatar they have uh they’re one of their top leaders has met frequently with uh the american negotiators they are part of that structure the issue for them will be their rank and file supporters who’ve been effectively brainwashed fed a very kind of medieval view a very crude view of islam and that is the only kind of education that they’ve had largely illiterate fighters that they have who are pumped full of a very uncompromising version of islam and a very primitive one at that whether they can actually take those fighters with them as they try to engage in a more nuanced role or whether they simply fold themselves back into that very medieval idea of how they’re going to govern the country and then we’ll see a repeat of what we saw between 96 and 2001 where women were banned from schools and uh homosexuals were stoned to death peter now that the last american flight has left sam we can talk about legacy i mean people have been talking about that for a while now anyway but what do you believe is the legacy of the afghan war a broken heart in afghanistan 20 years of faith put by an urban population and remember that the population of kabul uh at the time the taliban were deposed was was maybe for 500 000 it’s now about 4 million these are predominantly people who had faith in a emerging modern state or the emergence towards a modern state it was by no means a democracy uh but belief in the sorts of uh attitudes and cultural norms that the west so cherishes that the west so frequently goes to war or to protect it at least it claims that’s why it goes to war and now they’ve been abandoned so 123 000 uh people most of them afghans have fled the country because they fear a return to medievalism so that is is heartbreak for them i think that the the legacy of the afghan war will be picked over by historians for years to come in the in the immediate geostrategic sense this gives pakistan a very powerful level of leverage with kabul it’s probably the most influential country over the taliban that will rattle the indians somewhat both of them nuclear powers those two countries both of them daggers drawn most of the time so that is a a significant shift there and we’ll have to see what happens to you strategically but in terms of the personal legacy whether you’re australian british uh american or any member of this coalition that all of these countries have have blood have bled into the soil of afghanistan and wasted a gigantic amount of money only to see the taliban back in power and just finally what’s joe biden’s role in all of this well he inherited the the plans to withdraw rapidly from afghanistan from his predecessor donald trump he’s come under a great deal of criticism particularly obviously from the republican party and this one is something that is really sticking to him this is his foreign policy uh agony if you like he had always maintained that the mission in afghanistan to get rid of al-qaeda had been accomplished and that the nation-building mission was a waste of of blood and money and so he was always anxious to get out uh he will it has been criticized for the rapidity with which he got out he’s counter-argued and said well we could have put more more men and women and risked more lives and stayed almost indefinitely but the republicans are making hay over this not least because they point to places like north korea where the united states spent has spent much more money for many more years uh of trying to maintain peace there between north and south korea yep uh be very interesting to see what happens following the midterms and those calls for impeachment grow louder sam kiley really good to get your insights this morning appreciate your time live from doha following that huge news this morning that the last american flight has left kabul
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Western forces \'bled into the soil of Afghanistan\' only to see the Taliban back in power

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