Who Is PDP’s National Chairman? Members Speak On The Controversy

Who Is PDP’s National Chairman? Members Speak On The Controversy

welcome back we’re looking into the pdp now that internal matter within the political party the recent caught judgments the uh nominations that were done so who is where that’s what we will find out from two gentlemen who are here with us in the studios uh sony omar former spokesperson for the pdp presidential campaign council as well as a sales owner who’s a member of the pdp gentleman good morning thank you for coming on today good morning chamberlain yeah we’re good we’re good you know it just appeared that they were happening so fast they had nominated an actor national chairman then the court decision came there after and the reports this morning was like well the party was silenced on that cut decision so let me start with you mr mark what is going position now is the party united on what the court judge meant or are they sticking with the acting nomination position well uh let me say that this crisis had been ongoing for a very long time but it was like a cold war it started manifesting when some members of the national working national officers deputy national officers started resigning however it culminated into this situation when a court order was secured in the gamer in buttercup [Music] they reversed it that court order with due respect to the land judge was not supposed to have been given even though is an expected order because in the pdp constitution chapter 10 is very clear that the word the local government and the state has no power to discipline any neck member so how the land judge was convinced to have issued that court order was in itself a mystery however with the comment of the court order and in line with the rule of law and natural justice the party decided that which is a condos who is who the court order is addressing should step aside and the next person who constitutionally is empowered to become the chairman should act in that capacity and which is the the chairman the deputy chairman south that is what the constitution says the deputy chairman south is this is supposed to act because the chairman is from the south so the the controversy surrounding who becomes the chairman who just emanated because the elder was assumed to be sick and could not discharge the function however the elder himself came out came to the office and testified that he is sick healed and happy and he can actually perform the functions of that office and before which is a condos can return to his position a court must also issue an order directing him to do so because in line with the rule of law and natural justice and so what happened was that before the the court order came a little bit late it came in the evening while the party held the meeting in the morning and then those held up so today we are going to be seeing witches condos in his office discharging the functions that that he was elected to serve over a mandate of four years what’s your name well thank you very much first of all let me start by emphasizing that the pdb is a strong family and you will recall that it is a similar situation that led to the disintegration of apc when adam mushroom was suspended by his word the party couldn’t hold together anymore but pdp even after that was still together and even stronger you found two successors justly for the number one position out of love for the party i would say now that has been reserved uh the deputy chairman south is the acting national chairman and regarding the judgment that came from kebbi one is a bit curious as to what the content of the processes are before that judge whether there is an appeal against the decision of a high court of river state that another high court reversed or is a fresh case concerning the position of the national chairmanship of the pdp both of which i don’t think the chemistry i can’t have jurisdiction so this tends towards judicial rascality by that judge who gave that order and also uh i’m a bit suspicious of uh the the nature of that judgment because you require chemistry as an apc state so i’m beginning to wonder whether there is a hand from the apc government uh to undermine the party now that was the pdp now isn’t that impeding the integrity of the judiciary it has a command it’s not it is the judge who sits on appeal over a coordinated court that is even impeding the integrity of the judiciary because uh the content of that process must have indicated that a high court have asked the conduct to step aside for this judge to say you can come back there must be such a disclosure so if a judge knows that the high court have asked someone to step aside pending the determination of a suit secondaries have not been sacked okay but he was just asked to step aside now that shoot in the game will go on what if that judgment turns out totally against the conduct what is the suspect of secunduza to go before that uh the game high court which i felt he did and asked for uh a vacation yeah of that order but something that seems to come from both of you gentlemen is that uh you both disagree with two cut judgments that you don’t think went the way you you think you should have gone so this is a political thing that if you don’t like judgment days you just say no no this is not right now i’m speaking i’m speaking as a lawyer right not just as member of pdp here i want to tell you that uh the judgment at the the order by the high court of reverse state it’s still valid and subsistence the the the the kirby hacker can’t vacate it my point is that the pdp is a registered party that operates everywhere in nigeria it has a registered office in every state of the federation it can be sued and can sue in any part of the federation of the judiciary i’m trying to come to my point now i’m trying to say that the issue of jurisdiction does not even arise because uh is reversed a jurisdiction of the pdp only or is capitalistic can you guarantee it cannot necessarily jurisdiction but in terms of the levels of the court i mean they’re courts of coordinated jurisdictions so the question is do you think that the kepler state um high court should have sat on that matter i was trying to address some issues but let me come to this more specifically now cut of coordinate jurisdiction the issues that will arise is whether the the issue is a judgment or an expertise order that was an expertise order they didn’t hear the other side now do you go to a court which didn’t even give you the benefits okay we’ll continue from that point when we return in this break from both of you so do stay with us [Music] we are here to express our displeasure over the incompetent corrupt and the bad leadership of prince uchester condos whom misused the opportunity given to him by the mercies and the national executive and the boards of trustees of the pdp he has turned the party into his personal affairs he has sidelined everybody in wadata plaza he has drilled from the objectives and the aims and the constitutional prohibition of the pdp that is why we are calling for his immediate resignation of the as the pdp national chairman we will continue to remobilize our people to continue with the protests if you do not resign there is no any option than to decline our membership of the party that’s the pdp to look for another political party that will carry the youth and the interests of the nigerians at heart the masses are the majority and we believe the masses are the voice of the voiceless the governors cannot decide of the majority the majority are the masses minority cannot take a decision we are the mercies of this party we are the supporters we are the followers we are the voters our decision is final not for the governors [Music] welcome back to sunrise omar could you go ahead and complete a point so this issue has always been tackled by our land chief justices of the federation over time that expecting others that are likely to be reversed that can create a situation of a reverse reverse order in the future should not be issued so that order that was that was coming from potakot was an order that ordinarily should not have been given because clearly in our constitution it is clear that the issues that were laid before his lawship was that one the his word has suspended him his local government has suspended him and he stayed as suspended and they don’t have that power in within our constitution section 10 chapter 10 of our constitution is very explicit no member of neck and the chairman of the party is the chairman of neck you can’t suspend him and then go to court and stamp it it is wrong so a court with a coordinated jurisdiction can set aside that and say well why we have seen it clearly this the other court didn’t see it we have seen it you have you have a point go ahead and continue your job oh thank you first of all every order of course is a judgment all be not the final judgment but it is final on whatever it addresses so even an expertise order is a judgment entering right so uh and at the heart of this issue is a territorial jurisdiction so that is an issue of jurisdiction this is a matter between river state pdp not kept pdp as a conduct and it is his word his local government and his state that took an action that was against his interest and a judge has given an interim order saying pending the determination of this suit stay all activities as national chairman because this judgment can go one way or the other what if the judge removes him after now all actions taken by him from the dead of his suspension would be considered invalid so it is even in the interest of the party that he steps aside and go back to that same court get that order vacated and this argument that the local government the world and the state cannot suspend enoch members should be conversed before that court and nothing says he cannot win by the time this matter ends he may much victorious and then he will return if there is still time for him to continue as chairman however if events have overtaken his attendant he will also still be credited as the national chairman of the party from the time he came in till the time the convention will take place so that is the beauty of this i don’t think the judge in river state should be hounded unnecessarily because he is still here what he did is even good for the party what if uh tomorrow secundus wins at the high court the state goes to court of appeal and he wins or they win and then they go to supreme court and supreme court decides to say what the world did was right justice it was still impacting us i mean both of you seem to pitch your tent with the particular order that that you feel comfortable with but i’d like to clear some things you said earlier on and early on you said the judgment from the rivers high court was a mistake but still the party chose to go along with it so does that mean the party knowing fully well that it was a mistake still went ahead with that particular judgment obeying it uh because time and again we see political parties go to court i mean some say uh they go to shop for court orders and and the rest and it would seem this impugns the integrity of the court so when you make that statement are you trying to uh for say that that the judge at the court or essentially you’re saying from where you stand from your perspective you think it is wrong no no it’s not even about my perspective it is about uh if the judge is giving an order that affects a political party what he is supposed to look at are two things first the constitution of that party and then the constitution of the federal republic of nigeria these are the two issues that should you know guide the judgment now in our constitution like i have actually said separately that chapter 10 is very clear that no because of the insistent ways that our party chairmen were consistently removed now look at oshiomole was removed by his word maybe within the apc constitution it is not there that’s close it’s not there but in our party that cross is there to stop uh people using word local government and state to remove a neck member i think he he tried to clear that air that i mean it’s it’s for the mean time for him to step aside but my question particularly is you know having this sort of statement about our courts don’t you think that’s a direct attack because i imagine that the judge considered all of these variables you raised your constitution nigeria’s constitution before coming to that if you remember it’s an expert order right an expert order does not take the argument of the other side it only takes the argument of the person who has come before it before the judge so the judge is empowered by law to take action based on the arguments conversed by the person looking for that order so the the person looking for that order cannot and will not go into chapter 10 and tell the judge that they don’t have that right he will look for things that will give him the benefit that the judgment will fail i mean this is not what lawyers do essentially that’s why that’s why we’re saying it’s a one-sided thing and because it’s a one-sided thing the other party also will look for a way out so is that the way well first of all interim orders are given to preserve the state of affairs yeah you can call that the rest and i believe this order is even more in the interest of secundus himself on the pdp i see no reason why pdp should be worried about the interim order because if at the end of the day like i said the the state loses secondary’s record will still be clean and he will never be a suspended national chairman but if that position is upheld the danger is if the rest is not preserved all actions taken by second rules including the convention that we’re talking about would have been placed on illegality and everything will be challenged in court now why i am worried about the the kebab state high court is because the countries also have the right to appeal that interim order why didn’t he go to god of appeal to get that set aside that the other can go he should have done that the court of appeal would have i believe of hell that order and that takes me to my next question which i wanted to raise with you you talked about the kebbi uh uh state court saying uh it’s an apc state yeah so essentially it came across as you were saying because of that you doubt the integrity of the court to be uh i mean to be essentially not colored by you know partisan views and the rest but for the rivers high court you seem to agree with it is that because it’s a pdp state and you imagine that state courts basically give judgment based on the parties in power now now get me right i am not like for the reverse judgment or against the the cabbage judgment sounds like you are yeah no no i’m for what is right right we all know that uh our high courts are largely controlled by politicians they’re not that independent they are not if you go to any state high court whatever the government wants are likely to happen so especially in political cases what happened in river state is an outcome of what the governor wanted people are just going about it as if they don’t we care and the second would have issues so that was an outcome of what wiki wanted but when you come to territorial jurisdiction that state high court has it they can entertain that matter now those who feel or who disagree with wiki also want to show him they have a haircut they control so they went and procured the hour from kevin and brought it and now they will have two judgments all right are they both can they both be described as what you politicians always call black market injunctions well well this is this for this i think i’d like to call on the ngc but they need to really deal with that judge in kemp state you cannot turn the court into a political uh theater territorial uh jurisdiction this thing is happening in river state yet you think the judgement have been tainted by no no no no that is a different thing entirely that judge has the right to hear cases that are managed from river state from a secondary ward now the issue he has is whether the judge considered pdp constitution not whether the judge has jurisdiction and like i said this order was given not based on the content of the case but to preserve the rest he will now begin hearing the mother will start hearing so when he begins hearing that is when he will hear the argument on both sides like he said rightly the judge had one side and gave this order which is correct which is also uh acceptable in in need of practice it is allowed the judge has the right to hear one side an issue or grant an expression at some point i can’t remember which official of the judiciary had said you have to notify or serve the other party if you’re going to give a network no no if you have to do certain matters well if it is if it is uh it’s actually uh it’s actually uh how do i say discretionary the judges have a wide discretion these kind of issues right so a judge may look at the content of that case and say it’s highly contentious so you must notify the other party but a situation where maybe these people argue that we have suspended this month his continued stay will affect the activity of the party nationwide if a step further because of the choice let him go let him step aside until we finish this case now it seems to me very reasonable right it’s very reasonable for the judge to say okay because i don’t want your party to be rocked in crisis step aside this is just one person but the same way you you argue that the judgment can be mighty but unnecessary because they have the option to appeal the case in rivers yeah so don’t they equally have the right to appeal this case in kevin which is the cabin yes no no what are they appealing the session is judged what are they appealing did the cabbage judge sit on the pill over the river’s case he cannot did he say that the pdp should disregard the interim order given by the high court of river state no i don’t think you will say they should restore his restoration on this ask the child now he if you want to restore somebody you first of all vacate another even the court of appeal if the court of appeals want to restore him do you say first of all you say we have vacated this order our real estate so mr ma is this a problem number one he has rightly captured it and said that states have control over the judiciary and so he since he has said that it is very clear that that wiki had affected access to the judge and he has directed the judge to do his bidding now can you go back to that same judge whom wiki has control over that jesus no no he does what he said here now you can go back there and start looking for that judgment to be vacated this is not a matter it’s an expert order it’s not a matter that is you know you have lost and then you are you are proceeding to a court of appeal so it’s the right thing to do to go to another you can go to another we have witnesses [Music] doesn’t that put your party in the bank it is the judiciary that should put his house in order not not no people approach it we approach them and if we approach a judiciary and they decide to agree with us it means that they are convinced that what they are doing is in order so practica practically speaking now i’m wondering how it’s going to work today because here we see uh mr lombardino briefing press men after the meeting of your party yesterday your party members yesterday what has been decided and who is now interim chairman now what is going to happen today i mean is it just possible for mrs condos to just walk back to office um what’s going to happen to the nwc that he was supposed to be working with if they if they have since moved beyond that goalpost yesterday with when ologbondiyo made that declaration it was in the morning when he made that declaration that judgment has not come out so it still puts second us outside the ring of the party now with the new judgment it has now reinstated him back and so that statement by color logan young is now overtaken by new events events have now overtaken that statement so secundus is supposed to report back to office he has been directed by the court to resume his duties no what i’m saying is yes indeed that’s what the court is saying but i’m saying practically speaking i mean there will be you have what the courts have said and then there will be how it will be carried out right exactly how do you think that this will be carried out i don’t think there is any problem the when when the court stopped him so condos didn’t argue he didn’t go to say i am above the court so i must continue he stepped aside so now the court has reinstated him he will go in and say yes i have now the power i am back by law to come back so i’m back i’m coming back okay so mr owner did you see any injustice in in that in in terms of how he was removed initially um did it feel a little i mean because he did point out your party did put some safeguards in place to ensure that things like this do not happen because it it would seem that he had foreseen that this sort of thing could happen uh do you think that the manner in which he he was asked to step aside in the first instance was just well i would not speak to the justice of the issue and if it was unjust he also have a right to pursue justice but albeit he has to do that properly right like i said he can challenge even the interim order at the court of appeal he can go before that judge also and ask the judge to vacate it which i heard he did he can also follow that case to the end and he may win so there is no injustice here yet the party is not a personal property right uh the party is still running and it will be suicidal for pdp it will be suicidal for pdp to begin to see somebody appreciate judgment here will now reverse what we have done yesterday somebody have done this here because when will it stop so if somebody if somebody scientists cannot resume that he cannot he cannot because the order of the high court of university is still subsisting and valid that case is still a long way so what maybe it can be happening the judge cannot even pretend to say he’s vacating that order he just made the statement i’m sure when we see the content will it will be clear i have to quote it you can i would i would have read it before yeah you can read this judgment is very clear okay you can read it let us see or hear if that kb judge said the order given by rival state high court is hereby vacated second businesses whatever it is what they do they just said that what did you read what the judge said no read it no i don’t want to take time yes what the judge said is that it these people there are people who would be posted on affidavits and in the position today of the affidavit they raise issues and those issues the judge agreed with and directed and directed that the international chairman should resume his duties let’s hear what the issues are in the affidavit let’s hear what his orders are now if the party accept this the point i was trying to make if the party has said what stop another governor that is against yeah to reject this isn’t there to reject what if the party if some people in the party say no we can’t accept those [Applause] right there are two conflicting judgments uh that the party will just win this cause of equal jurisdiction a political solution no no no no no which one do we obey which one look like will harm us or help us right you know so they will say this looks harmful this looks better we are like this principle of election so they will elect to go with the one that will preserve the rest rather than one that will come and cause more confusion essentially pick and choose with judgment yeah because the judiciary have made themselves laughing stuff oh it’s quite and that is why that is why i say that judging kevin right should be because it’s hardly it’s quite convenient to blame the court and i mean you you keep skipping the court in rivers he of course thinks that but here’s the thing it’s quite convenient to blame the courts but don’t forget like himalayan reference the court did not approach you your party or members of your party members of your party approached the court yes so i i think it’s confident to blame the court and we’re living out the major issue which is the fact that on the one hand you say you’re a family you say all is well everything is sorted i recall having an interview with party members and they say we’re fine there’s no fight but clearly there are issues so why would you say all is well in your party why would you say you’re a family yet you have members of that family approaching various courts trying to essentially shop for judgments as you say what to bring down the party why don’t you address that issue exhaust internal party mechanism as you say why is it hard to do that like i said this is a bit curious because this conflicting order is coming from an apc state so for me i feel apc is trying to destabilize the pdp the family is still one it’s intact they match yesterday does it be ultimately those all the best members well if somebody if somebody wants to pull down your house certainly he will use insiders it can’t come out uh openly they will certainly use insiders i won’t be surprised if secundus he may be fighting for his right legitimately but he may not know where help is coming from so the people can help maybe help maybe these guys let me let me let me finish this let me finish the health may be disguised right the help may be disguised but it’s still coming from the wrong place now regarding uh uh who approaches the court if you follow my trend i’m not excusing what is going on in river state but when the judge acts within the framework of his uh of his uh power and jurisdiction right i like to wait until the conclusion of the matter the judge in river state is acting within his jurisdiction whether the case before him is right or wrong is not for him to decide until all arguments are taken before he will uh take a decision right but for now he is given an interim order which is not to say that he has found second uh uh on what you’re remaining as national chairman he’s just saying just to preserve the integrity of your party number of kebbi that of kirby cannot in all of he should have asked why is the chairman why was he asked to go who actually do not send details of the job no no every judge should require so one led to his removal who asks him to leave what happened no this question must come up he has been hammering on that kevin state is an apc state does not even arise number one let me tell you what about the issue of abusive process well we will come to i will let me address this one and then i’ll come to abusive process first in kenya state we have the chairman of the northwest caucus of the pdp kabir city mutual sen is from kepler state we have our former national chairman who was also the former board of trustee chairman dr bill haleru is from kennedy state kepi state house in the i’m saying that we have a lot of pdp presence in cabin state so you cannot say because it is because the governor is there is will the governor direct the the judiciary to issue another big men instead don’t come no no no no they they caught the judge we have an sa the judge cannot cut the general he doesn’t call so what are you talking about so what about the second matter of process the process to me the issue where he raised the issue of jurisdiction i think is completely out of it because this pdp like i have already mentioned is a national party and this is a national chairman the national chairman was not elected by rival state people he was elected by the whole pdp in nigeria so you cannot limit him to reverse it well you’ve not addressed the issue of reigning your members in sorry please because that’s quite important because this is a political party conversation we can talk about the culture we want but essentially how you play your politics within your party is your house in order sorry please let me just make a point because talking about him being national chairman you try to nationalize membership right before he became national chairman of the pdp he was first of all a member of pdp a membership is at the world not national every member of a political party whichever party your membership is at the world that is where you go and register what happens is mountain of your power now that is what they will argue in court now the world have said we have suspended you as a member of the party the the local government affirmed the suspension the state affirmed the suspicion they can go and argue he can bring his argument and say because i’m a member of neck and i’m the national chairman the world has no power to suspend me he can go and do whatever argument is having said he’s trying to bring a pedestrian argument and the argument is that because he registered in rivers if he registered a reverse river state alone cannot make him national champion that’s a different thing no no it is not a difference before the court was to remove him as a national champion no no no no no no no so it is it is not you can’t you can’t dismiss that i say because he’s a member it is his membership has led him to become the national chairman can you be a national delegates voted for him in nigeria over five thousand delegates so how can only about third hundred people say they have removed it well look we’ll watch wait and see how the meeting today will go to see what will happen i know that we might not be surprised if they pull out a political solution to all of them parties do it a lot i’m very confident and he is also confident that the pastor will do the same thing i think the party will go for the best options we don’t begin thank you very much indeed for coming in today [Music]
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