WORLD TODAY | 23.08.2021 | GUEST: ŁUKASZ JASINA | Poland In

WORLD TODAY | 23.08.2021 | GUEST: ŁUKASZ JASINA | Poland In

[Music] [Applause] [Music] hello i’m chris mulatrick welcoming you to this week’s first edition of world today in a moment we’ll be asking about the standoff on the border between poland and bolaros over migrants camped there but first up the crisis in afghanistan and angela merkel visiting moscow and ukraine in afghanistan the exodus of western citizens and their local allies continues but while the united states and various european countries are doubling down on the evacuation efforts the taliban so it fit to throw a wrench in the woods speaking to a british broadcaster taliban spokesman suhail shaheen said that the 31st of august was a red line for the evacuation he added that if any foreign personnel remained on the ground beyond that date originally scheduled as the deadline for u.s armed forces withdrawal the taliban would consider this as further occupation shaheen also said that consequences would follow in such a case and that the taliban had no plans to extend the deadline even if the uk or the u.s made a formal request he also dismissed the plight of those trying to escape the country saying that they did not fear the taliban but wanted to enjoy a comfortable life in the west in kiev german chancellor angela merkel warned russia of possible repercussions of weaponizing the not stream 2 project following the meeting with ukraine’s leader valadimur zelensky she said that using the pipeline for political blackmail could entail sanctions against the kremlin which germany would fully support zelinski’s mating with the german leader came days after merkel’s farewell visit to moscow germany has faced criticism for its decision to continue the pipeline project despite russia’s poor human rights record and its military actions in ukraine the project is now nearing completion with ukraine worried that the guarantees of security and compensation contained in the recent german u.s deal on north stream 2 could prove insufficient soon after merkel’s visit to ukraine was over the german energy company rwe supply and trading announced that it struck a deal with ukraine’s naftojas to develop hydrogen-based energy projects green energy transformation however seems like a distant prospect for kiev while concerns over how moscow will use its dominance on the natural gas market continue to loom large in a joint statement the prime ministers of poland lithuania latvia and estonia condemned belarusian leader alexander lukashenka for his efforts to undermine regional security through illegal immigration the statement refers to lukashenka’s efforts as a form of hybrid warfare and emphasizes that protecting the borders is a joint obligation of the entire european union in addition it calls for you and high representative for refugees in minsk to take action with respect to the regime’s treatment of migrants recent weeks saw more and more refugees from countries such as iraq and afghanistan arriving on the belarussian borders with its neighbours with the lukashenko regime urging them to illegally cross over into eu territory since both poland and the baltic states consistently backed belarusian democratic opposition in its fight as president lukashenko many see this as a form of retaliation from the embattled strongman leader not long ago lithuania was alarming the whole of the european union about the way the lokashenko regime is pushing migrants across the belarus and lithuanian border now belarus is doing exactly the same testing poland here to tell us about the standoff and its implications we have ukashi hashina from the polish institute for foreign affairs welcome back to world today hello hello photos of migrants being stopped by soldiers from crossing a border are always emotive how is the situation being covered by the belarusian state media very similar to some polish medias there are refugees who came nobody knows from where suggestion is from afghanistan there in belarus and they are trying to go west and they are trying to cross polish belarusian border somewhere in the forest next to grodno and bialstock and those people are going to paradise and they are stopped but one of those ugly european states who is not ready for giving help to the poor people like usually they say that’s the cover of the belarusian medias but poland good refugees well you said that the coverage is the same from some media here in poland why is that i mean i understand why belarusians are doing this uh the most important thing for the kashanka regime is to show that european union and the countries like poland or lithuania are bad and they are hurting people especially those who need their help i have no idea why some polish media are doing this because situation is very clear there is a border there is attempt to illegal across that border and there are polish guards who wants to stop people from these illegal actions and there is also a polish gesture poland is ready to give a humanitarian help but doing this legal way like crossing the borders we’ll come we’ll come to vatina in a moment but it’s not just some polish media who are doing it it’s also some polish opposition politicians who are doing it despite the fact that the european union is being very forthright about actually backing poland and lithuania’s actions on the borders or don’t care or don’t know that that’s mutual european decision everything now is in poland element of the political war between the parties even the issues which should unite us and that’s one of the very poor examples even this situation in ballistic void ship became a part of the national conflict isn’t the reality under international law that poland is obliged to take refugees who are actually come come here who actually come it is that not the case poland is also obliged to defend west eastern wars of the european union exactly how what was this the site on the european summit the same way like the greek turkish border is its defendant or other borders of the european union that’s the border there is a hybrid war made by the eastern neighbor of poland of course poland is obliged to hate the refugees but when they will come legally through the borders crossing to the polish territory are they yet actually refugees well the the kind of people we’re talking about on on the border at the moment of lithuania in poland or is it simply migrants who’ve actually been airlifted into belarus and then being pushed out by by lukashenko and his people me and you cannot it cannot be sure who they are maybe there are only economical migrants maybe there are refugees maybe they are from iraq or maybe they are from afghanistan we don’t know this belarusians authorities know that because they accept these people legally on the sort of belarus indeed they they entered their their country so isn’t belarus who are being actually committing crimes under international law by pushing these people towards our borders according to all known to me international laws belarus is guilty they are legally accepted those people according to some sources took money from them and now they are pushing them out to poland through the illegal border crossings through the forest and middles of the of this region belarus is responsible for this humanitarian crisis now you mentioned that poland is taking refugees in uh it is is that the case poland actually is taking afghans poland from from afghanistan poland is thinking a lot of afghanistan now polish planes flew to kabul to tusken to other places in the in that region and took people who are not only collaborators of the polish army or polish embassy but also normal afghan civilians to europe poland is helping afghani refugees there on the kabul airport and here let’s say poland has a lot to do we will accept those refugees but there are border crossings they can come if they are legally on belarus that’s not a problem for them to come and travel through this country if they need our help but is it not the case that actually what the migrants on the border wanted to do was to get across the border and then disappear into the country and possibly into other western countries they weren’t really that interested in claiming asylum exactly and their instrument in the hand of the cruel dictator who is trying to start his hybrid war against the europe with no costs with no taking care about their life’s health and future is there anything that can be done to stop the practice of belarus taking in uh these hundreds of of people just to push them across the border is there anything that could be done to actually stop those flights coming into bolaros the only thing we can do is to convince belarusians to accept our humanitarian actions to send them through the illegal boulder crossing to those people some that need facilities like water like food like clothes but we have no instruments to stop madman who is a ruler of belarus from doing that it’s not the first case since last year he’s doing that that’s a problem we’ve got a neighbor ruled by madmen so is that wall which is going to be built now on the border actually necessary it’s is it something that poland has to do lithuanian has has to do even though in future it may actually stop belarusians coming into poland when they need to flee also it won’t be a wall like in berlin or in china it will be rather temporary facilities and if there will be a possibility to help people through demolition of that wall we can do this but for now we have to construct it and stop pukashenko from using people like those we see on the border as an instrument of his hybrid aggression against poland in the european union one last question do you think that the european union this time around has learned its lessons from back in 2015 and will actually back poland and lithuania to the hilt in my humble opinion they did i mean our european union we have to remember that this is our union learn the lesson the way union tried to secure safety between greece and turkey show show that very very clearly to us and the union gave a lot of support not only vocal to the lithuanians and latvians and at least vocal to us in a matter of declarations it works we’ll see how this would be realized let’s let us remember that there will be an election in germany next month and it will be very important for the european unions to make europe safer before that election so migration will be one of those issues during that election and it’s certainly becoming a hot political issue here in central europe yashina thank you very much for joining us here on world today angela merkel is leaving the world stage this autumn she’ll be glad she doesn’t ever again have to take a media panning of the sort now facing the american president they say that every president enjoys a honeymoon period with voters and media in the first year of office not that donald trump will be able to remember his joe biden’s is definitely over his speeches are now fact checked by the mainstream media and on the weekend former british prime minister tony blair called the pull out from afghanistan a decision in obedience to an imbecilic political slogan about ending the forever wars but he acknowledged that mistakes had been made over the last 20 years since 9 11. so what do we call taking military action on the basis of fa intelligence weapons of mass destruction in iraq from hero to zero seems to be the fate of so many top politicians our program unlike some wars can’t last forever no honeymoons here just another program to be aired at the same time tomorrow see you then [Applause] [Music] you
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